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198 Starter Woes, (was: Eugene Update in OT)

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by sparky, Aug 5, 2005.

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  1. Aug 5, 2005
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Bought an Optima tonite, only the best for my Jeeps. ;)

    Well, the TJ's getting the new one, Eugene gets the 6 year old one from the TJ that's still going strong.

    Tried to start to hear this "rod knock". No go with the key.

    Bypassed the key and did it direct. Still no go.

    Looked at the starter, the end of the solenoid is missing, the bakelite type material where the terminals are is 1/2 gone. Well, duh it won't start.

    Went back to town to get a V6 starter.

    Now you'd think after running this page for how many years I'd know the different V6's. I told the guys it was a 225.

    Starter wasn't right for a 225, the one I took in wasn't that was.

    It cross referenced with a 215 V8 starter.

    Huh. Then I started thinking on my way home.

    Double checked the casting number, GM 1349430, then I looked again at the bellhousing shape... :rofl:

    Ok, revoke my Buick V6 Jeep card now I guess. ;)
     
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    blevisay

    blevisay Oh Noooooooooooooooo! Staff Member

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    Re: Eugene Update

    Maybe thats the noise..............
     
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    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Re: Eugene Update

    What's that Bill?
     
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    blevisay

    blevisay Oh Noooooooooooooooo! Staff Member

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    Re: Eugene Update

    Bad starter.(hoping)
     
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    cj5 buggy

    cj5 buggy Member

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    Re: Eugene Update

    that would make a little noise wouldn't it
     
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    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Re: Eugene Update

    Yeah, that's what I thought you were alluding too.

    So it seems that Eugene is a 1969 CJ-5, originally an F-head, w/ a Commando VIN and 198 V6. :D
     
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    Boyink

    Boyink Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Re: Eugene Update

    ;)

    Waiting for the prognosis...

    Hey...Brian has all that 215 stuff yet...:D

    Thinking of an Optima for SSDutch too...what do they go for these days?
     
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    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Re: Eugene Update

    Red Top Optima was $109 at the FLAPS.

    There was one for $119 with the side terminals lower on the side, that's not an issue for me.

    Waiting on a starter now. :D
     
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    Boyink

    Boyink Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Re: Eugene Update

    Cool.

    I need the double-terminal setup, I run bolts in rather than terminals for stuff like the OBA - works slick.
     
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    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Re: Eugene Update

    Yeh, all of 'em I've seen have dual terminals.
     
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    66cj5

    66cj5 Jeep with no name

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    Re: Eugene Update

    paid about $140 2 years ago. wont go back to acid filled batteries after using it. best upgrade (after cam and tires) to jeep so far.
     
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    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Re: Eugene Update

    I paid ~$99 about 6.5 years ago. Had to special order it.

    Now most places carry 'em.
     
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    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Re: Eugene Update

    What series or size is it, please. I had to buy a new battery at Walmart when at Tellico after my little disaster but my boat needs a new battery and I may put the Jeep battery in there and the Optima in my cj.
     
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    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Re: Eugene Update

    I'll let you know size/series in the AM.

    As I recall, both are the same size, a small battery.

    The new one has 80 less cranking amps. Only 920 CA and 720 CCA seems like. Old one was 1000 CA and 800 CCA.

    Not a problem for a 4 banger Jeep though.
     
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    H8PAVMNT

    H8PAVMNT Rub his head for luck

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    Re: Eugene Update

    I've fried a red top at tellico 2 yrs ago (remember Mike?) got a new one on warranty (Now the other Mike has it). 109.oo at FLAPS. We had a little issue w/ the DD XJ battery a few months ago so I just went down a got another red top. Its been sitting on my bench ever since. I have plans for it one day. . .

    :D
     
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    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Re: Eugene Update

    Yea Brad remembered the over charged batery, just couldn't remember what color it was.
     
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  17. Aug 6, 2005
    67cj5

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    Re: Eugene Update

    Shame we dont live closer sparky. I have the starter from my old dauntless setting under the bench in the garage. If i recall it was new in the box when I got the jeep. Oh well, wont do oyu any good in Oregon, good luck, and I have my fingers crossed about your suspect rod knock. :beer:
     
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    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Re: Eugene Update

    Dauntless Starter won't work with a 198.
     
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    BlueFlu

    BlueFlu past owner of some ecj5's

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    Re: Eugene Update

    Is it fixed yet?
    Love my Optima by the way.
     
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    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Re: Eugene Update

    I'm waiting on a starter Jerry.

    Heck I don't even have a price on one yet.

    Special order item.
     
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