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Question About Clutch Linkage.

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by panzer, Nov 13, 2007.

  1. Nov 13, 2007
    panzer

    panzer Super Mod Staff Member

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    Got my rebuild kit for my clutch linkage today. Comparing it to the old one it's about 2" too
    long. I'm wondering if what I had on it was stock?? Is there any difference in a tube for the
    T-98 verses any other tranny?? Here are a shot of it. So I'm assuming I have to cut this
    down and reweld one of the ears?? Or is there another CJ that uses a shorter crank???[​IMG]
     
  2. Nov 13, 2007
    Buildflycrash

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    Pretty new parts! Where'd ya get it?

    I'll be watching this one as I'm about to put mine back together. [​IMG]
     
  3. Nov 13, 2007
    panzer

    panzer Super Mod Staff Member

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    Krage. Took them 2.5 weeks to get it to me.. I'm planning on getting a
    section cut out of it and welded together. Just wondering if it was stock
    or not..
     
  4. Nov 13, 2007
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    an F4/T98 would have 5-3/4" spacing between the levers
    the book also shows 3 different part numbers for that cross shaft
    911467
    911600 used with 8-1/2 dia clutch
    923636 used with 9-1/4 dia clutch
    no overall length is given
     
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  5. Nov 13, 2007
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    in the pic it looks like you got a 3 speed shaft..no pun intended
     
  6. Nov 13, 2007
    panzer

    panzer Super Mod Staff Member

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    The old part is 4 1/2" between the levers. The new one is 5 3/4" between them. I measured the
    space between the flat part of the pivot on the tranny and the inside wall of the frame and
    it measures 8 1/8". That's exactly what the new part measures. There is no room for the
    pivot/bracket that mounts to the frame and the seals.

    All the places on line sell the same cross shaft. So I guess I'll need to take 1 3/8" out of the shaft..

    Thanks for the info Jim. It seems like the same problem I had w/ the front drive shaft. :rofl:
    Had to get it cut down also....
     
  7. Nov 22, 2007
    panzer

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    Well, finally got it done. After splicing the tube and taking out 1 3/8"
    it works like a charm. It was a bit tight but I lowered the tranny
    and angled the tube in w/ pivots in. After a couple taps w/ a hammer
    it slid in to place. Had to lengthen the clutch side cable about 3/4"
    and it went right in w/ the pin. Took it around the block and it's
    tight. I'm kind of thinking now I should've taken a bit more out of
    it. I guess I need to tourqe the frame and see if there is any binding.

    But after 3 weeks I'm pretty happy. Great way to start Thanksgiving
    day!!! In the garage, working on the CJ and solving an issue....
     
  8. Nov 22, 2007
    1960willyscj5

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    Ok, now I gotta crawl under the '60 with a tape measure.

    Are the shafts different lengths for the T-90 and the T-98?
    Is one tranny narrower than the other?
    I know they are different lengths, not width differences. Or is that part one for a later cj frame (the one that is not the same width from front to rear)?


    :?:?:?:JEEP:
     
  9. Nov 22, 2007
    panzer

    panzer Super Mod Staff Member

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    Jim (jpflat2a) posted three different part numbers for this part. But I believe there
    is only one part available. The rebuild kit I got was the only one offered. The one
    I that broke didn't look stock. Hence the reason I had to have mine spliced. I had
    a solid rod welded inside the splice for strength. I used 6 3/4" length. The seals are
    tight on both sides @ the pivots. Like I said I would probably shorten it a bit more.
    Maybe 6 5/8".

    As for the widths of the two tranny's I'm not sure. Here is the location of the pivot
    on the T-98. From the 3B page.

    http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Tech/T98A.html

    [​IMG]
     
  10. Nov 23, 2007
    Glenn

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    There is actually supposed to be a spring inside the rod to keep tension on it. Just jammed in there so to speak is not correct, the rod is supposed to be able to float. When I get a chance I'll measure the wagon and CJ to check for a difference in length.
     
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  11. Nov 23, 2007
    panzer

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    Correct Glenn. There are (one each side) cotter pins that keep a
    disc and the felt pads moving towards the center of the tube. One
    pin is further the center I put the spring in, then the disc, then the
    felt pad. The rod I mentioned was in the center of the tube under
    the splice. It doesn't go any further than the cotter pin holes.

    I just haven't been able to track down an original tube. So I just
    cut one down to fit. It works pretty well so far.
     
  12. Nov 23, 2007
    Glenn

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    Good deal! I misinterpreted what you wrote. :)
     
  13. Nov 23, 2007
    panzer

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    No sweat Glenn. I'm used to drawing these things out to explain them.
    I can't explain anything anymore w/out a pencil/paper!!! :rofl: R)
     
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    Glenn

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    1960willyscj5

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    Are these tubes different for '68-'69 and '55-67? :?
     
  16. Nov 23, 2007
    panzer

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    If the frames are different I would think so. Again, Jim mentions 3
    different part numbers for it. Probably dependent on the frame and
    tranny and years.

    Sorry I can't be more specific. But I can only base it on the reponses
    in this thread and a couple of others.
     
  17. Nov 25, 2007
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    this might answer some questions...from the Jeep parts book...maybe cause more confusion
    note the footnotes and the index attached
    note the model guide attached
    items in heavy dark print are for right hand drive vehicles
    DISCLAIMER: You can use these numbers as a guide, but they may have been discontinued/superceded. Let your parts supplier look the item up for you whenever possible.
    Also, the Jeep parts book was never perfect; as Panzer found out, there may only be one choice available.
     
  18. Nov 25, 2007
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    That special information page sure has some "interesting" info on it.
     
  19. Nov 25, 2007
    Brian P

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    It looks like you may have been sent a shaft for the older T90 with Spicer Model 18 T- Case, I just did all new clutch linkage in my 55 CJ and that shaft was 8.125 inches overall. If you have a different transmission and t-case setup in a newer model it could be shorter.
     
  20. Nov 25, 2007
    w3srl

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    The Omix-Ada stuff is notoriously off spec. I had to cut one of the tabs off and re-weld it 30* from where it was in order to get it to work on my flatty with the L-134/T-90/D-18 setup.

    Factory welds were crap anyway, they would have failed had I not fixed them. Best $15 bux I ever spent.. :rofl:
     
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