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Procedure to cut down a tie rod

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by DanStew, Apr 1, 2005.

  1. Apr 1, 2005
    DanStew

    DanStew Preowned Merkin salesman Staff Member

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    What is the procedure to cut down and rethread the tube on a tie rod? I got the steering box botled up and the rod main rod to gear box is just a touch too long, and i need to shorten it about an inch or so. It is a fine thread. Where could i get the tap for this? I am not even sure what size tap it would take, it is the larger wagoneer stock rods.

    Tanks!!
     
  2. Apr 1, 2005
    Boyink

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    Sure you need to rethread with only 1" difference? Seems like on mine the threads were alot deeper than needed.
     
  3. Apr 1, 2005
    DanStew

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    it looks like right now i have about 3/4 inch on each side of the clamp of adjustment. I want to leave myself with soem adjustment whan i get it centered, so it will be a little more than an inch i think.
     
  4. Apr 1, 2005
    Mcruff

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    Dan I don't know what the tap is, but I can tell you how to do it. The right handed tap is far cheaper than a left handed any day, so 1st thing make sure you are cutting down the side with the right hand threads. Take the tap and screw it into the tierod tube and make sure it goes in there quite deep, as you want as many threads leftover when you cut it off so you can use them as a lead to keep the tap straight and running true, if not thread it deeper before cutting it off. Saw off or use a cutoff wheel to cut off what you don't need and then rethread it using the leftover as the guide. Once tapped deep enough, take a cut off wheel recut the slot for the tube clamp, keep it as straight as possible, use a homemade guide of some kind if possible.
     
  5. Apr 1, 2005
    DanStew

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    I have to look and see what hand thread it is. the rod is the kind with an integrated tie rod end on one side and the threaded open end on the other. Crossing fingers it is a right thread. The adjustment is done by the clamp only
     
  6. Apr 2, 2005
    jason

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    dan i am not sure what steering you have but if its stock ( not an MB ) it will be 11/16 left and right hand taps. could you cut your tie rod and shorting it to the length you need then sleave it and re-weld it. this might be cheaper than buying two taps and SCH80 1'' pipe should slide over the stock tie rod, this will be plenty strong and its a cheap way to beef up your tie rod.

    i say all this not realy knowing what steering you have or axle, but we did this last year at pargon as a trail reapair ( except for the cutting the stock tube ) after my friend bent his stock dana 30 tie rod, my other friend used his high lift handle witch was a piece of SCH80 pipe after he lost his stock handle, he had know high lift handle but the jeep was moving agin, jason.
     
  7. Apr 2, 2005
    DanStew

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    Here is a picture of the end i have to turn down. Maybe i am mistaken and it is actually called the drag link. The one end has the integrated tie rod, the other end is threaded tubing that the clamp goes onto and the tie rod end is on the otherside. I will have to get a ne wpitman arm, the waggie tie rod end is a bit larger than the CJ's ;)
     
  8. Apr 3, 2005
    Project71-5

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    I used Mike's method and it turned out great. I know that CJ size TR ends are 11/16-18. I have the tap if you want to use it. I had to order it through MSC because it is such an odd size.
     
  9. Apr 3, 2005
    kelly

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    Is the steering connecting rod too long or the tie rod? I'm with Jason, if the tie rod really needs shortened, it's probably easier/ cheaper to cut and weld a sleeve over the tie rod.It's hard to tell by the picture but it looks as though there's enough adjustment in the clamp. But your there,I'm not. Also it's good to keep the tie rod as horizontal to the axle tube as possible.
     
  10. Apr 3, 2005
    w3srl

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    What about using a die to simply chase the threads down further on the drag link and then taking a piece off the end, and keeping the tube the same length.? Seems like it would be much, much easier to do this than to mess with cutting the tube down. If you cut the threads with the die and leave the die in place, you can cut the end off the rod and use the bench grinder to put a mild bevel on the end of the rod. Then back off the die and it chases the threads out to the end of the rod. Simple, no?
     
  11. Apr 3, 2005
    DanStew

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    That is what i want to do Steve, I want to cut about 2 inches off the end of the tube, then extend the threads down further so i can have teh same amount of "open threads" like in the picture so i cn adjust it if need be later. If you look at the pic, the pitman arm is over to the right, right now the tires are straight ahead so i need to go left with the tire rod end and i just dont have the adjustment right now.

    I maybe be calling the rod i need to cut something wrong. The long rod that connects the knuckles is just fine for length, it is th erod that goes from the pitman arm that connects to the long tie rod that is wrong. I am trying to keep it as simple with off the shelf parts so i can repair stuff easily.

    So i essence i just need to bring the threads down further. It is a waggie rod, it is much larger than the CJ rod, i just dont know what thread die i need.
     
  12. Apr 4, 2005
    Southtowns27

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    Cut a piece out of the middle of the adjusting sleeve and weld it back together. This way you won't have to thread anything. You might have to also slightly shorten both the tie rod and tie rod end so they don't contact each other inside the sleeve. Before you cut them, find a nut that threads onto them. Run it on, cut the rods down, then back the nut off and it will clean the threads up for you.
     
  13. Apr 4, 2005
    timgr

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    Dan, this is the Wagoneer drag link? Jeep calls the long, solid part of it the connecting rod. Connecting rod, clamp, turnbuckle, clamp, end assy. I'd be really reluctant to cut the turnbuckle; I'd think you need something more than a butt weld of the cut ends. Plus I wouldn't trust my welding that much.

    Instead I might shorten (cut) the connecting rod, butt weld the cut ends together, and weld a sleeve over it. At least you'd have the stress distributed over 3 welds then.

    What Steve suggests would do the same thing and is better, if you can buy the die.
     
  14. Apr 4, 2005
    blevisay

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    I may have a Tap What size Danny boy?
     
  15. Apr 4, 2005
    Mcruff

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    For what its worth guys, welding anything on your steering in most states is illegal if you're gonna drive this thing on the street, especially tie rod tubes or forged tie rods. And so long as you are willing to wait, quit buying taps and dies at you local hardware/ auto parts place. I can buy 2 top notch high speed steel taps or dies for the price of 1 crappy carbon steel one that you get at the parts store if you buy from a regular industrial warehouse like J&L industrial or MSC or McMaster Carr. So long as you don't let them sit in water they will tap or thread 4-10X as many parts.;)
     
  16. Apr 4, 2005
    DanStew

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    I am not sure what size and thread it takes. I am going to look for a machine shop. I dont want to weld it. I will take it off tonight and get a diamter of the outside tube and try to count the threads per inch
     
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    Mcruff

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    Billy, Dan needs an 11/16-18 tap, that is the standard tie rod size for a civilian Jeep.
     
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    blevisay

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    I 'll look....better yet,,,,picking up phone
     
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    Mcruff

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    MSC item # 04846762, will get you right handed import tap for $18.87,
     
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    DanStew

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    Just remember, this is from a wagoneer. It is a much thicker tube than the CJ. Let me get a diameter tonight.
     
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