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Starter grind

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by aekdbbop, Apr 18, 2016.

  1. Apr 25, 2016
    Glenn

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    Good, then we can safely assume those are the proper counts for a matching set?
     
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    aekdbbop

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    Glenn

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    I can't imagine the voltage making a difference. Did you get the ring gear from Walck's?
     
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    aekdbbop

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    no got it from KW
     
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    Glenn

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    Glenn

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    Did it always grind since you got it. Did the shop or you match the tooth count to the old ring gear.
     
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    Glenn

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    If the starter drive is not correct as in matching the ring gear I would think it wouldn't be a huge issue to get the correct one.
     
  8. Apr 25, 2016
    aekdbbop

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    yeah everywhere I have read says 124 and 9 are good to go. Fwiw this is a foot operated starter..
     
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    By that, do you mean the electrical push-button switch operates an internal Bendix, as in civilian CJ5.... in which case it should not matter?

    OR, do you mean it is the original M38A1 military style with a lever actuated starter clutch drive, and separate button switch, mounted on top of the starter? In which case the relative adjustment of the linkage and switch are critical to proper throw-out and engagement.

    (The over-running-clutch type was also used on early CJ3A and Willys pickups, etc)
     
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    aekdbbop

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    edit-see my next post. honestly it looks like something someone just fab'd up..

    So if there wasn't enough adjustment of the linkage, the drive wouldnt be thrown out enough, causing it to grind?
     
  11. Apr 25, 2016
    aekdbbop

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    Mine is more like this:

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    Glenn

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    The plot thickens as more info becomes available.
     
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    "The plot thickens as more info becomes available."
    Yeah, the OP was with-holding critical data! :lol:

    If it is the lever actuated type, the switch button must be adjusted so the pinion gear is fully engaged BEFORE the electric switch spins the starter.

    The cap on the electric button is threaded and can be adjusted in or out accordingly. Sounds like it needs to be adjusted inward a few turns.
     
  14. Apr 25, 2016
    aekdbbop

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    OOoo ok.. So the arm mechanically pushes the gear out... I had no idea!

    So it is starting to turn the gear before or at the same time the gear is fully extended.. in that case, the cap need to be adjusted out, right?
     
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    Glenn

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    I'd say before the gear is fully extended and engaged. That could very well be the problem. Good thing Pete is familiar with the A1 linkage.
     
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    aekdbbop

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    more I think about it, maybe it needs to go in.. lol ill just have to mess with it.

    I am pretty sure this is my problem.. among many..ha
     
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    I learned this the hard way on my 1950 Jeep pickup, about 40 years ago. No internet forums back then. That's how I burned up all my brain cells.

    I believe you need to adjust the button "in" (further away from the lever), so it switches "on" later in the sequence.
     
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    aekdbbop

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    awesome, that's what I think too.

    Thanks for your help
     
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    Interesting. My A1 still has the 24 volt starter. The foot plunger goes straight to the lever on the starter. No linkage from the middle of the bell housing. Also, no adjustment possible on the starter.
     
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    Glenn

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    Since his is 12 volt I'm betting it has a civilian setup of some sort. I am curious about the location of your plunger since the starter is on the right side. It seems that it would be awkward reaching it with your right foot.
     
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