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Kelly hardtop & door installation

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Hippo393, Dec 6, 2004.

  1. Dec 6, 2004
    Hippo393

    Hippo393 Jeepless

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    Recently I bought this top from Dave (wheelie) and now I'm trying to get it fitted for a Tux. :) But the design of the Kelly doors have me scratching my head on how to make it fit?? Fitting the S-curve is fine, but I haven't a clue how the rest of the door hinge/flap is supposed to attach to the body &/or windshield. Does someone have a good pic of how it's supposed to attach?

    Pic 1: The door as it fits inside the S-curve. The hinged flap is what I can't figure out.

    Pic 2: With the door still in place, I hinged the flap backward to see what's on the inside of the flap and where it would likely attach to the CJ...somehow.

    Pic 3: View from front on the odd fittment of the flap. It extends beyond the edge of the windshield more at the bottom than at top.

    Odd! Am I missing some hardware or something? A search of Derek Redmond's CJ-3B page helped only marginally. Actually as a side note, this is a "Kemco All Steel Cab" made by Kelly. There's no mention of Kemco on the otherwise very thorough treatment of Kelly tops on his page. :? Anyone have any info on this type?
    Thanks for any help (and pics of this flap correctly installed would be great!! )
    -Alan
    P.S. What's the official color of these tops? I'd like to repaint it w/ as close to an exact match as possible.
     
  2. Dec 6, 2004
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    Hmmmm. First I'd temporarily mount the top on the Jeep, that will give you a better idea of how the doors should fit. It looks like you're on the right track but it's hard to tell for sure. You could be missing a bracket like you say. I'm not familiar with that top or door. Question though, why does it look like the part where the windshield hinge is sticks out past the body. It looks like that is holding the door out. :?
     
  3. Dec 6, 2004
    Hippo393

    Hippo393 Jeepless

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    Thanks Glenn. Mounting the top was the first order of business. I made some markings on the body where things line up. But the doors won't mount on nicely with the top on due to that flap...particularly the uppermost portion like you mentioned. Does that fit inside the top I wonder? Prolly because it's the only part not painted.
    That's why I'd love to see a good closeup pic or 2.
     
  4. Dec 6, 2004
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    I didn't mean the uppermost part, which like you say would go inside the top. I meant in pic #2 it looks like the area below where the windshield hinge is sticks out past the body edge. Does it or is it just an illusion?
     
  5. Dec 6, 2004
    timgr

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    Something is fishy... was this on a CJ-5 when Dave had it? Maybe the doors are supposed to overlap the sill rather than plug the opening?
     
  6. Dec 6, 2004
    Hippo393

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    Glenn do you mean pic #3 where you can see it hanging over? Pic 2 the hinge is pulled back so you can see inside (dashboard, a bit of the inside windshield). It's black-on black so yeah it's not easy to see. :oops:

    Tim: not sure. The serial number is "F 5 300 A". Based on some research on The CJ-3B page, there is also an "F 3B 300". My S.W.A.G is that the "3B" in that number stands for the CJ-3B and, the "5" stands for the CJ-5 on my s/n plate.

    Keep 'em coming guys. :beer:
     
  7. Dec 6, 2004
    jpflat2a

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    "Kemco" is nothing more than KElly Manufacturing COmpany.
    vanguard has some info, maybe a pic, on his site: www.universal5.com
    something tells me those doors are not for CJ5, with the flapped hinge
    don't recall ever see that design before on CJ5s
    then again with the S shaped curve, what else?
     
  8. Dec 6, 2004
    Hippo393

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    Good call Jim. I checked out the U5 and it helped, thanks!
    I didn't see a good pic of how those doors are supposed to go on tho. The pics in that catalog showed the 2 slot hinge whereas these are the piano-hinge style. Might have to get the hacksaw out. :twisted:
     
  9. Dec 6, 2004
    66cj5

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    any pics of the top on w/o doors? do the brackets fit the windsheild frame?
     
  10. Dec 6, 2004
    Hippo393

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    Brackets? We don't need no steenkeeng brackets! R)

    Wish I had more pics. (Takes me ~2hrs to get a pic or two up due to computer/software probs, and I don't feel like wrestling w/ it now).

    Actually I think I got it figured out. It's essentially correct as it was in the 1st & 3rd pics--just rearward about 2". The windshield tilts back to where it matches the flap angle. Going out to tinker a bit more.... :)
     
  11. Dec 6, 2004
    lynn

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    It looks like you have the bottom of the door set into the S groove on the body. I'm guessing the curve of the door mimics the S, but does not actually sit in the groove, it lays over the outside of the body. (Some of the steel tops have square bottom doors; they lay over the outer body sides the same way and actually cover the S opening. Isn't the hardtop on your '71 this way??) <EDIT: This is what Tim was saying in post #5, above.>

    Fit up the hinge section with the windshield, adjusting the windshield angle as necessary. Then see how the door fits up to the top/body.

    What is the condition of the cowl seal? That will have an effect on the windshield angle.
    HTH
     
  12. Dec 6, 2004
    Glenn

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    Sounds like you got it figured out, and I know you said you got some marks with the top on there, but I would really put the top back on and install the doors that way. Your windshield angle needs to start off with being correct for the top itself. I just finished the one for my 3B and as you are doing had to figure out how to make it fit just right. What I'm getting at is the top mounting correctly on the body and lining up across the front of the windshield have to be just right, there is almost no room for error.
     
  13. Dec 6, 2004
    Hippo393

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    Thanks guys. I see now how the doors should overlap rather than plug it. But if i don't "plug it", it falls on the ground when I let it go to take a pic. R) I gotta get a helper. The top on my '71 actually plugs the gap.

    Still contemplating on how to proceed. Here's the plan so far:
    Set the top on the tub as squarely as possible. Make some markings referencing the edge of the top where it'd meet the door, and how high the receiver-latch is. Remove top. Set up the door(s), first aligning the windshield angle, then mate the door latch with the markings to where it'd meet the top & latch. Make markings with my 3rd hand while I hold the door still. :D

    I went thru this w/ the Sears top on the '71 and it worked out (even when there were NO hinges).
     
  14. Dec 6, 2004
    wheelie

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    I was just gonna ask how you were making out with that top, Alan. The top was on the tub when I got the JEEP but the doors were laying in the back. Anyhow, sounds like you all got it figured out. Glad it's workin out.
    Dave
     
  15. Dec 7, 2004
    Hippo393

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    Dave! Did you feel yer ears burning?? :D

    Yes I finally figgered 'er out tonight. Love the top thus far. Yet I leave for Charlotte Wed., so I'm not sure if I can get it fully installed until after I get back (essentially January 2). Ha ha, the missing glass on this top won't be the only thing I'll be asking for at the glass shop. :D

    Got the doors w/ flaps installed tonight. Tomorrow the top goes on. Might even have pics in a few days as I'll be on the g'friends' computer. :)
     
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