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Bessie's rebuild.

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by GreenGhost, Mar 30, 2011.

  1. Mar 30, 2011
    GreenGhost

    GreenGhost Never give up!

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    I have been working on this rebuild for quite some time now. This is my rebuild of my 45 MB/CJ conglomeration of a Jeep. Before I get hazed for chopping up an MB it was pretty chopped up when I got it, way to far gone for a restoration.

    My Dad and I started rebuilding this Jeep way back when I was 14 years old and when it was all said and done I was 16 and ready to drive. It had a 134 F-head, T90, D18 and an overdrive, it wasn’t the fastest thing in the school parking lot, but I thought it was it was by far the coolest. I drove it up until college when my parents and I feared it wouldn’t be able to make the drive back and fourth to Pittsburg, so then it sat until after I got done with college.

    The years had taken its toll on my Jeep and after college I decided to “freshen” it up a little bit and one thing just started to lead to an other and brought it the point that it at now. So here start some of the pictures and captions.


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    Right after my dad and I rebuilt it the first time around.

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    Like I said coolest kid in the lotbunny with a pancake. I think this was my senior year.

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    Wheeling on a local trail shortly after high school.

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    one of those little side projects that got the ball rolling.chainsawguy

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    Then at a local yard I found this little gem in a '66 Buick special and decided my Jeep needs a new engine.

    Like I said small projects were promtly turning into bigger ones. like swapping out a roll bar turns into stripping all the bedliner off, applying a new finish and swapping windshields.
    decided that I had to have a four speed instead of a three speed. fixing a small rust patch turned into chopping out the entire drive side front and fabbing a new panel.

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    Missing driver side.

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    Half the driver side panel.

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    The other half.

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    It's a little rough, but it was a 25$ junkyard salvage

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    the back side, I actully junked the inner frame.

    Most everything on this Jeep is second hand or salvage

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    Like these rims came off the same jeep as the windshield they were a 40$ salvage and they came with tires too.

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    They cleaned up nice.

    Then I got laid off and it got moved up to my uncles shed and sat untouched for about a year, then he said he needed his shed back. So I moved back it home to my drive way.

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    I didn't have brakes because I decided to swap to a hanging pedal setup and go to 11" drums on all corners and I only finishes half that project before it got moved. It's not the first time that wrangler had pulled me on a strap either:(

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    When It got home in the summer I rattle canned it OD green so it wouldn't sit outside without paint.

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    When I sat the frame back on I couldn't figure out why the bracket wouldn't line up, turned out the frame itself had broke. I cut the sheet metal away slid a pipe inside the one piece slid the other overtop the pipe welded in some gussets and now she's good and strong.

    It sat in my driveway all summer until I finished my CJ5 which took a higher priority beacuse I needed a car and it had less things broken on it. Then I moved the it back to the garage and started tinkering again.

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    I put the MB grill back on because I thought it looked cooler.

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    Here's the drive side panel I replaced completed.

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    Here was a major stumbling block for me for a while. It had rotted out on the inside of the frame I had cut the rust out and made a plate to fill in the void, but I was afraid to weld it because I wasn't a very good welder but after welding on the 5 all summer I got good enough in my mind to weld in the patch.

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    Then I coved the whole she-bang with some 3/16 plate to make it look purty and give me a good solid base to weld onto for the motor mounts. I put a similar plate on the passenger side too.

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    My motor mount which is welded in as well as bolted. I figure if the welds ever fail the bolts won't. I jacked the entire jeep up on the mount and it didn't move or crack so I guess it should be fine. I ended up flipping the bolt on mount down because the entire driveline was up about 2" too high.

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    Here you can see the plug welds and the bolts.

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    My drive line sitting in the frame rails 225OF, SM420 with a pto and a D18. The drive shafts are only about an inch an a half different from stock.

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    Body off.

    That brings it about current. The next step I guess is to find the parts I need to go over to saginaw steering and a dana 30 frontend. Then I can start buttoning everything up.
     
  2. Mar 30, 2011
    Quill

    Quill Member

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    It's a long process that will be extremely rewarding in the end.
     
  3. Mar 30, 2011
    bkd

    bkd Moderator Supreme Staff Member 2022 Sponsor

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    keep it coming :beer:
    Jim
     
  4. Mar 30, 2011
    EricM

    EricM Active Member

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    Cool.

    I don't think I've ever seen a real live PTO on an sm420.
     
  5. Mar 30, 2011
    Mike S

    Mike S Sponsor

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    What motor mount kit did you use??

    I like the ability to adjust the location of the engine it offers.

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    Thanks,
     
  6. Mar 30, 2011
    Stout

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    My very first Jeep was a '50 CJ3A that had that exact same top with the straight windshield. Brings back memories looking at that.
     
  7. Mar 30, 2011
    GreenGhost

    GreenGhost Never give up!

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    Those are the old style Novak mounts. They do offer alot of flexability.
     
  8. Mar 30, 2011
    Mike S

    Mike S Sponsor

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    Thanks.
     
  9. Mar 30, 2011
    Posimoto

    Posimoto Hopeless JEEP Addict

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    Great writeup! Lot of history there.
     
  10. Apr 21, 2011
    GreenGhost

    GreenGhost Never give up!

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    I really haven't done a lot to it lately except work on cleaning the frame and scraping the 40 years worth of gunk off the transmission, and while doing that I discovered that I have Spicer PTO on it which is kind of cool8). I also decided on the brake set up I want to use. I was originally going to use 11" Cj drums on all four corners, but after playing in some deep puddles during the recent rains with my '73 I was not impressed with the braking quality when they were wet. I know the drums can be drilled to offer better performance but I'm not sure if it will give me the results I want. I was thinking of using the 11” drums in the rear and going with a disk brake set up in the front, using the calipers and rotors from a Suzuki Tracker so I could clear my 16” rims. Anyone have any thoughts or comments about this set up, or potential problems I would run into:?? Thanks, Don
     
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  11. Jul 1, 2011
    GreenGhost

    GreenGhost Never give up!

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    It's been a while, But I haven't got too much done to it that has been worth posting up unitill recently.

    I got the 11" backing plates on the rear axle and replaced the wheel bearings and seals.
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    I used the backing plates off a front axle so I didn't have to worry about the e-brake holes. Would it be proplem if I used the wheel cylinders that were for the rear brakes in the front backing plates?

    It's a pretty tight fit with the factory 16 inch rims, but I think it should be fine.
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    And finally my spicer PTO on the SM420
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  12. Jul 10, 2011
    GreenGhost

    GreenGhost Never give up!

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    Started working the saginaw conversion the other night and I got the bracket to fit into the frame and started test fitting everything. The bracket and box came from a 72 CJ5.

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    Here is the bracket and the and the steering box close to their final position wich will be about a quater of an inch towards the rear of the Jeep

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    it seems to have plenty of clearence between the shaft and front cross member.

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    looking from the front it looks a little low but's really no lower than what it would be on an intermediate model Cj.

    When I get the final positon of the bracket I was going to add a steel plate between the frame rails to tie both of them together and give me the the final to mounting points for the bracket. I was going have a 90* bend put on the front of plate to make it more rigid. What do you guys think the thinest plate is that I should use? I was leaning toward 3/16" thick but I'm not too sure.

    Anybody have any comments or concerns on this set up I'd like to hear them before I go on too much further.
     
  13. Jul 10, 2011
    Posimoto

    Posimoto Hopeless JEEP Addict

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    If you are going to run bigger than stock tires I'd box the front of the frame with 1/4" and weld the steering box mount to that. You can buy the pre-cut plates from Advance Adapters or make your own. Kinda like this:
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  14. Jul 11, 2011
    GreenGhost

    GreenGhost Never give up!

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  15. Jul 12, 2011
    Posimoto

    Posimoto Hopeless JEEP Addict

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    For mild trail use with the tires you are talking about you should be fine.
     
  16. Aug 10, 2011
    GreenGhost

    GreenGhost Never give up!

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    I've been making little baby steps in progress forward on the flatty lately. I replaced the in the king pin bearings and races on the drivers side front the upper one was pretty worn and the lower one was missing:shock:, wheel bearing and new seals are on the list too. After some input from memebers here and staring at my previous attempt on mounting my saginaw steering box I decided to change it, because by the time I would have had it done the way I wanted to the mounting bracket would have been rather thin and weak. So I went with a little more conventional route.

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    Started by partially boxing the front frame horn with 1/4" plate.


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    Then I made a mounting plate for the steering out of 1/4" plate as well (I wanted 3/8 but I was having a hard time getting it) and c-clamped it into place for mock up.

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    Side veiw. When it's all welded into it's final place I'm going to add some gussets to the back side and a brace that runs over to the passenger side

    Any thought or comments on my steering setup before I weld the puppy all together
     
  17. Aug 16, 2011
    GreenGhost

    GreenGhost Never give up!

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    Worked on Jeep for a little the last few days. Finished welding up the steering bracket, installing the shifter and chopping up the trans tunnel to clear the trans and shifters. Here are the pictures

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    The shifter all bent to clear everything. I think it looks bad, but I not 100% sure how to make it look better and still work.

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    Roughing out the trans cover

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    Bracket to hold the steering colum in place, it's not fully installed yet.

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    The shifter in reverse it's close to the seat I think I'm going to bend the shifter a few more times before it's all said and done.

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    The bracket welded into place.

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    Side veiw of the bracket.
     
  18. Aug 24, 2011
    GreenGhost

    GreenGhost Never give up!

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    Spent the last few days working on the trans tunnell I filled in the holes I cut in and made a new top cover. It still needs some hole filled in other little deatails but, the trans tunnell is mostly fininshed.


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    The top cover bofore some primer.

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    After primer and looking at the rest of the tunnell.

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    Passenger side.
     
  19. Mar 24, 2012
    GreenGhost

    GreenGhost Never give up!

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    After coming to a dead stop in the fall I decided to start back up on it again. I have set a goal of having done mid Agust or sometime in September. I picked up a Jeepster with a 225 that should run, my Dad and I got it to crank in the junk yard but couldn't get spark, so I guess I'll see how It pans out. It also has the all the parts I need to complete the saginaw conversion, The the two hole passenger side knuckle and the tie rods.
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    The Partster I feel kinda bad hacking it up but it dosen't have a title so in PA it's only good for parts.
    more pics to come as I progress on the Flatty.
     
  20. Apr 14, 2012
    GreenGhost

    GreenGhost Never give up!

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    Spent some time working on the Jeep tonight and I have question. If you have to replace a leaf spring is okay to just do one corner, or should both on that end be replaced?
     
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