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What is wrong with my Jeep? Please help!!!

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by theBBQman, Aug 22, 2010.

  1. Aug 22, 2010
    theBBQman

    theBBQman theBBQman

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    I need some diagnostic help on my '71 CJ5 before I stick my hand in the fan blades.

    The Jeep:
    71 CJ5
    6-225 engine
    Not a daily driver... 1500 mi/yr
    No major work done recently. Always has a picky carb at elevation (I'm in Denver)

    The problem:
    Yesterday while hitting some trails it was very picky and kept dying at lower RPM. I figured it was the carb adjustment and readjusted and increased the idle speed and it did better. Then after an OK day of Jeeping it died about a mile from the house. I towed it home. It wouldn't start. It tried to turn over and cranks but I don't know if its firing. It doesn't catch and the engine doesn't engage.
    This morning I tried to start it and it started right up. To be safe I decided to put in a new fuel filter and fuel pump. I did those today and it started easier afterward. I had it idling for 45-ish minutes while I washed it down from our trip yesterday and right when I was finishing it died again and wouldn't start.
    I tried putting the portable jumper battery on it to see if that helped, but it didn't make a difference. I tried putting gasoline and starter fluid directly into the carb, but no difference.
    I did notice when I put gasoline into the carb the last time some seemed to come out a little hole in the side of the carb body. I'm thinking its an overflow drain kind of thing, but I'd never seen it before.
    Any ideas? Please help.
    I'll give a chocolate chip cookie to whoever can help me get her running again (you have to pick it up at my house though).
    Thanks, everyone!
    Jay
     
  2. Aug 22, 2010
    sterlclan

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    bad coil? you didnt mention points or electronic?
     
  3. Aug 22, 2010
    w3srl

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    :iagree:

    Sounds heat-related, and the coil would be a prime suspect.
     
  4. Aug 22, 2010
    Walt Couch

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    Can you get us a pic of this hole in the side of the carb? Shouldn't be one unless it's where an auto-choke was supposed to be.
     
  5. Aug 22, 2010
    theBBQman

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    I don't know if its points or electronic. How do I tell?
     
  6. Aug 22, 2010
    theBBQman

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    Here is a picture of the side of the hole. Looking at it again I don't know if that's actually part of the carb. I did, however, impress myself I figured out how to upload pictures.[​IMG][/IMG]
     
  7. Aug 22, 2010
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    That almost looks like the heat riser fitting to warm the carb (might be wrong as it's been a while since messing with the 2Gs).

    As to the distro - pop the cap off and snap a pic. We can then tell you points or electronic. I would be inclined to the coil and heat issue my self.
     
  8. Aug 22, 2010
    theBBQman

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    Here is a pic of the distributor without the cap

    Thanks for your help.

    How much do you think a coil will be at the local auto parts store? $10? $50? $100? Maybe I'll just put one in. It can't hurt.[​IMG][/IMG]
     
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  9. Aug 22, 2010
    theBBQman

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    Looks like they are $20-40. I'll get one tomorrow and stick it in.

    Anything else I should try?
     
  10. Aug 22, 2010
    DREDnot

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    is that an uncovered vacuum pipe in your carb pic?
    ( above the hose clamps)
     
  11. Aug 22, 2010
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    the shotgun approach to problems seldom works...except for emptying your wallet.
    get back to the basics
    is it getting fuel ?
    is it getting spark ?
    go from there
     
  12. Aug 23, 2010
    djbutler

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    That hole looks to me like the hole for the throttle butterfly shaft. If fuel is coming out of it after you manually primed it, it may be worn loose or you may have just primed it excessively. Gasoline will come through a very close clearance gap.

    When the shaft is loose in the hole in the throttle body you get a vacuum leak that will cause idle problems. Someone else noted you seem to have an open vacuum port, that one goes to your vacuum advance on the distributor.

    Your problem sounds more heat related, because it dies after running for a while. When it quits, you need to determine whether or not you have spark.

    If there is spark present when it has died after running, then you may be looking at fuel related problems. Otherwise, I would suspect ignition problems first.

    Don

    When an ignition system fails under heat load, I would suspect first the coil then the condenser.
     
  13. Aug 23, 2010
    Walt Couch

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    That is the idle adjust screw. You have the standard delco ignition distributor so depending on which coil you are using, you may also be using a ballast resistor. When this baby gets hot it can open circuit causing loss of ignition.

    The hole you are red lining in pic is the throttle shaft. I was loosing a slight bit of vacuum on mine so I put a dab of high-temp RTV there and plugged it.
     
  14. Aug 23, 2010
    Mike S

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    Agreed to all.
     
  15. Aug 23, 2010
    theBBQman

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    Thanks for all of the help.

    I stuck in a new ignition coil ($25) and have it idling in the driveway now.

    I'll keep y'all posted.
     
  16. Aug 23, 2010
    theBBQman

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    It died again.

    I took it for a short ride and left it idling. I did notice the exhaust had more of a blue color to it than usual, if that means anything.

    What's next? Any ideas?
     
  17. Aug 23, 2010
    theBBQman

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    How do I check to see if its a problem with this hot ballast resistor? Is that something fixable or just another Jeep thing I should learn to deal with?
     
  18. Aug 23, 2010
    Patrick

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    Check for power on the + side of the coil primary. If you're running a ballast, it should be 8-9V with the key on, 12V while cranking.
     
  19. Aug 23, 2010
    theBBQman

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    I checked V-DC between the + coil terminal and ground.

    With the key on, it was 5.6V. With the key/engine cranking it was 4.5V.

    What does this mean?
     
  20. Aug 23, 2010
    Patrick

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    There should be a wire coming from the switch side of the starter solenoid to the coil side of the ballast to provide full voltage while cranking. Doesn't matter in this situation as it won't cause it to die.
    5.6 seems low. Check the ballast for 12V ..
     
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