1. Registration trouble? Please use the "Contact Us" link at the bottom right corner of the page and your issue will be resolved.
    Dismiss Notice

Ignition Timing Dauntless

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by theotherjmmy, Jun 23, 2010.

  1. Jun 23, 2010
    theotherjmmy

    theotherjmmy Member

    Austin, Texas
    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2009
    Messages:
    156
    I have a 67 CJ5 with a Dauntless and HEI distributor, and I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong setting the timing. The engine idles great with about 20 showing on the vacuum gauge. When you disconnect the vacuum from the distributor and adjust the timing to about 5* BTDC, when you rev the motor the timing advances to about 12*. When you hook the vacuum back up and rev the motor it goes off the scale advance. Is this correct? The timing marks are the kind cast into the timing gear cover. Is this correct?

    Another issue is the accelerator booster pump in the Rochester carb. The motor was responding great to the throttle, but now it stumbles or has a dead spot just off idle. Is there something that could cause a booster pump to get out of kilter overnight? The carb has been freshly rebuilt.

    Thanks for all the help.
     
  2. Jun 23, 2010
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

    Perth, WA
    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2002
    Messages:
    9,221
    Off the scale? Meaning the mark moves past the timing marks on the cover? That's what the vacuum advance should be doing. It should be 30-35* total advance. You can paint marks on the balancer if you want to know total timing.

    Just mark 0, advance 5* - another mark at 0 == 5*, advance 5* another mark at 0 == 10* at 0* on cover. I've marked mine up to 40* like this.

    Is it in conjunction with you setting the timing? Did you adjust the carb mixture and idle using the vacuum gauge as well?
     
  3. Jun 25, 2010
    Wmi68CJ5

    Wmi68CJ5 Let the Sun Shine!

    Twin Lake MI
    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2006
    Messages:
    742
    FWIW my accel/ pump rubber cup turned out and up and did not provide that initial jet of gas just off idle. Once I was past off idele it runs like a champ. I put it back together with the cup turned down and it worked for a while but it is doing it again so i think I will need a new cup. I was told in another post that i should have lubed the cup during my rebuild. Live and learn.

    Todd
     
  4. Jun 25, 2010
    electricontr

    electricontr Member

    Denver Colorado
    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2004
    Messages:
    244
    The fuel we have to use these days ruins the accelerator pump "cup" in older carbs due to the alcohol content. If you lubed the cup, I'd think the fuel would wash it off in a pump or two and then you'd be back to where you started. What intrigues me is that if you have a std. 2G two barrel carb, how you are reading any vacuum at idle at all. The 2G wont allow vacuum until a ways after idle, at part throttle.
     
  5. Jun 25, 2010
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

    Perth, WA
    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2002
    Messages:
    9,221
    It won't? I've set the timing/adjusted the carb using the vacuum gauge to set as close to 20" Hg as possible. :?
     
  6. Jun 25, 2010
    electricontr

    electricontr Member

    Denver Colorado
    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2004
    Messages:
    244
    The 2G has ported vacuum and not manifold vacuum. The butterflies don't expose the vacuum ports for the distributor in the throat of the carb until they are opened up some. We've had this discussion before. Where is your distributor vac. hose connected to?
     
  7. Jun 25, 2010
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

    Perth, WA
    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2002
    Messages:
    9,221
    I'm well aware of this discussion, hence my confusion.

    If you're doing it right you're not connected to the ported vacuum to tune. ;)

    It's manifold vacuum that you use to tune the vehicle, thus 20 Hg is possible...
     
  8. Jun 25, 2010
    electricontr

    electricontr Member

    Denver Colorado
    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2004
    Messages:
    244
    Ok, well now I'm confused too then. Do yo mean that to tune I would connect the distributor hose to manifold vacuum somewhere and then move it back to the ported vacuum on the carb to drive?
     
  9. Jun 25, 2010
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

    Falcon, CO
    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2003
    Messages:
    5,474
    No - just use a Vaccum gauge to tune with Manifold Vaccum. Ported to the distro should be plugged for Idle setting.
     
  10. Jun 26, 2010
    theotherjmmy

    theotherjmmy Member

    Austin, Texas
    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2009
    Messages:
    156
    The motor was running fine here in Austin, but when I trailered it to the coast, the carb started acting up. It's only a 600' change in elevation so I don't think that has anything to do with it. I guess it was a coincidence about the carb trouble starting at the time of the trip. I did use manifold vacuum to set the carb idle mixture. Do I read correctly that you plug the vacuum to the distributor while setting the idle mix with manifold vacuum?

    When I said the timing moved off the scale I did mean that the mark on the crank moved off the numbers on the timing cover once the carb vacuum line was reattached to the distributor.

    I'll check the condition of the booster pump cup. Will Marvel Mystery Oil in the gas help any with the alcohol content playing havoc with the rubber parts?

    Thanks for the help.

    EUREKA The accelerator plunger/spring/rod assembly had become disassembled when a clip came loose. Motor runs fine now:beer:
     
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2010
New Posts