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In the beginning

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by Mike S, Mar 20, 2010.

  1. Sep 10, 2011
    bkd

    bkd Moderator Supreme Staff Member 2022 Sponsor

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    looking good!
     
  2. Oct 6, 2011
    Mike S

    Mike S Sponsor

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    Tranny mount done

    I used an Advanced Adapters unit to hook the xfr case to the SM465, and it uses a pair of round, split mounts instead of the standard type of trans mount.

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    This required that I do a lot of work on the factory xmember, as I wanted to keep the stock anti torque donut in place.

    I ended up creating a couple of flat pads for the AA mounts, and after a bit of head scratching, and lots of measuring, got them in the correct location.

    Here is the finished product, prior to a coat of POR 15.

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    Also visible is the valley I had to create to clear the bottom of the SM465 case.

    Next step is to work on mounting the power steering box.
     
  3. Oct 24, 2011
    Mike S

    Mike S Sponsor

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    Steering stuff

    I finally got around to getting the new, power steering box mounted to the frame.

    My frame already had a Saginaw manual box on it, but I wanted to upgrade to a power unit.

    My frame had a hole for the steering shaft through the front crossmember, and I have decided to re-use that setup, rather than doing a below the crossmember setup.

    Thus, All I had to do was find the right location, and drill a couple of new holes in the existing mount, and I had to add an additional bolt position on top of the frame.

    I used one inch DOM 0.250 wall tube for the mount, and for spacers as needed.

    Here is the finished setup, as can be seen, the top bolt goes through a short piece of DOM welded to the top frame horn, and the lower two bolts fit into the old mounting plate, pre-existing on the frame.

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    Here is a shot of the back side of the mount area, the bolt on the right needed a bit of custom fab work to make it work, as the shaft of the bolt lay directly on the frame. I used a piece of DOM and cut it back to the edge of the bolt hole was just exposed, and there was still a bit of full diameter stock for the bolt head and washer to seat on. Then I welded it to the frame to create a chase for the bolt.

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    Not the prettiest weld job, but pretty secure I suspect. Also visible is the freshly drilled hole for the third bolt for the steering box.

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    This could not have been possible without having a spud shaft to extend the steering box shaft enough to fit through the crossmember, and locating the "U" joint behind the cross member.

    I got this spud shaft from McRuff, as well as the five degree spring plates. Very nice work indeed :D

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    The black ring is a clamp that fits over the spud shaft, and holds it in place on the splined shaft in the Saginaw box. The spud shaft is split, but I did not think to show that, sorry.

    After I get the rest of the frame painted, and the box mounted, I will post more shots of the steering setup.

    By the way, the rust inside the closed sections of the frame, visible in a couple of the shots-----------what are most folks doing about that??? Aside from dipping the entire frame in some kind of rust killer, then in POR 15, how do I take care of the interior surface rust. Or am I just worrying about this too much:?
     
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  4. Oct 24, 2011
    Posimoto

    Posimoto Hopeless JEEP Addict

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    Looking good, Mike. I take it you are using a 3 bolt steering box.
     
  5. Oct 24, 2011
    Mike S

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    Thanks :D

    Yes, three bolt, it was in the donor Blazer on the top of the second page.
     
  6. Oct 25, 2011
    djbutler

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    Re: Steering stuff

    Mike,
    Eastwood sells a product designed just for this purpose, a rust converter spray aerosol can with a long applicator wand to insert through any available hole into the closed space.

    Don
     
  7. Oct 25, 2011
    Mike S

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    Re: Steering stuff

    Found it, thanks for the tip.

    http://www.eastwood.com/internal-frame-coating-w-spray-nozzle.html
     
  8. Oct 25, 2011
    Posimoto

    Posimoto Hopeless JEEP Addict

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    Thanks from me too!
     
  9. Nov 2, 2011
    Mike S

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    More work on the fuel system.

    I am using a Chevy 4.3 V6, with the central port fuel injection system, and it is notorious for being picky about fuel pressure.

    I figured the best way to deal with this issue was to use the factory Chevy fuel pump ------ but it was an in-tank pump, not an external one.

    Here is how I dealt with this minor problem.

    When I harvested the engine and other various items from the donor vehicle, I also grabbed the fuel tank and its internal fuel pump/fuel gauge sender.

    Here is the pump assembly, and it is easy to see that it will not fit into the stock Jeep sender hole.

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    I cut the ring out of the Blazers fuel tank, using a die grinder and cut off disk.

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    And opened up the Jeep tank with a sabre saw to fit the Blazer fuel sender ring.

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    Here is the ring setting in place, I will mount it permanently with screws and fuel tank sealant "Pro Seal" like I used in building the airplane.

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    The Blazer tank was almost exactly the same depth as the Jeep tank, so I lucked out there. The new fuel lines are going to have to be lowered a bit, to clear the Jeep body, but I am using 1" spacers in the body mount, so that will help a bit.

    Thanks for looking :D
     
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  10. Oct 17, 2012
    Mike S

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    Update time.

    I got the fuel lines in to/from the engine.

    This engine uses an intank fuel pump, and is reported to be rather finicky about fuel pressure, so I simplyl used the Chevy pump, as detailed above.

    The fuel lines were cut off when the engine was removed from the donor car, and I was later to regret doing that, as they use a "bead O ring" setup for sealing the connections, and that is not something I can source locally.

    I ended up using the services of Tom at TS Flightlines, http://www.tsflightlines.com/ to make up special fittings, and adapters for getting me where I needed to be. The parts from TS Flightlines worked perfectly, and made the entire project a simple bolt together event---except for a single line I had to cut to length and flare the end.

    Here is what the lines looked like when I removed the engine, just simply the work of a Sawzall.

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    Tom added a barbed fitting to the low pressure return line, and a 37* AN taper fitting to the high pressure supply line, as well as fabricating a short flex line to go to the frame.

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    I used an AN double male to transition to a short piece of rigid line, then to an adapter into the fuel filter, which was the bead/O ring on both ends.

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    And, finally a piece of flex line back to the tank. The return line is a simple piece of 5/16" hose, and was secured with hose clamps to each end, with an adapter at the tank. I then secured the hose to the first line with lacing cord.

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    I still need to run a vent line from the rear tank, and a feed line from the under seat/transfer tank. And there is another vent fitting I need to plug, but that is pretty simple stuff, just need to hit NAPA for some fuel line.

    Thanks for looking.
     
  11. Oct 18, 2012
    scott milliner

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    Looks good Mike. I see you still haven't figured out your wiring. Don't feel bad. I'm in the same boat.
     
  12. Oct 18, 2012
    Mike S

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    Thanks, appreciate the complement :D

    Actually, I am pretty sure I have most of the engine wiring under control, just waiting to get the tub back on to move on in that direction.

    Steering, and brakes/clutch come first.

    I am pretty sure you and I have different ECMs, and wiring harnesses-----seem to remember seeing a photo of your ECM in one of your posts.
     
  13. Nov 5, 2012
    Mike S

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    Well, update time.

    The body is back on for good--------at least that is the plan.

    The body was mounted with urathane pucks, which had a 9/16" hole in them, way sloppy if I had used the stock size bolts (3/8" IIRC) and the holes in the sheet metal had wallowed out to almost a half inch. I found that the inner sleeve from the spring bushings were a perfect fit in the new body mount pucks, and only a tiny bit larger than the holes in the body------I ended up getting a 9/16" drill, and opened up the body and frame mount holes to fit the sleeve, and I bought new 7/16" bolts/washers/lock nuts to hold it all together.

    Got the rear seat mounted, now I have to build front seat mounts as there were none with the Jeep when I got it.

    Anybody out there have some good photos of how a M38a1 seat base is built??
     
  14. Jul 30, 2013
    scott milliner

    scott milliner Master Fabricator

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    Mike. Any updates on your build?
     
  15. Jul 30, 2013
    Mike S

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    Scott, thanks for the inquiry------but sadly the answer is no.

    About the only progress I have made on it in the last few months is to gather parts for when I revive the ambition to work on it.

    Motivation is severely lacking at the moment. Other projects have gotten in the way also, been spending a lot of time on the plane, got it out of the paint shop.

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    I expect I will get back to the Jeep when the nice flying weather runs out in the fall.
     
  16. Jul 30, 2013
    Posimoto

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    Wow! The plane looks sharp. To this day, yours is the only garage I've gone to to pick up Jeep parts that had a airplane in it. Many happy flights to you.
     
  17. Jul 31, 2013
    Mike S

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    Thanks Posi:)
     
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