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T-15 / Dana 20 Shifter Boots & Rings

Discussion in 'Intermediate CJ-5/6/7/8' started by LBOGRS, Sep 11, 2009.

  1. Sep 11, 2009
    LBOGRS

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    Does anyone know if the T-15 shifter boot and ring is the same as the T-150? Lots of T-150 boots/rings for sale online, but none labeled as for T-15, though it looks like all of the 3-speed boots/rings are identical.

    Similar question on the Dana 20 shifter boot. I've got a '75 CJ5 and need to find these parts.

    Thanks,
     
  2. Sep 11, 2009
    Chilly

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    4WD Hardware sells both. Installed them on my 73 with T15/D20. The T-15 shifter boot is pretty stiff and wanted to pop my tranny out of 1st and 3rd. Simple fix was to push the top down the shaft further so it "cupped" a bit. Gives the shifter some more movement without straining against the rubber so much. Dana 20 boot is pretty nice and didn't require any futsin'.

    I have considered replacing the T-15 boot with a leather boot similar to what I recall seeing in old MG cars or maybe a manual shift E30 series BMW. Or get a cheap leather coat from Goodwill and make my own boot. Sealing up the leather with some beeswax leather waterproofing stuff.
     
  3. Sep 11, 2009
    5foxes

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    timgr

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    The part number 948175 that "The Jeep Guy" gives for the T-15/T-150 boot does not match my listing. My book says that the 76-79 3-speed boot is a 948185. 72-75 4-speeds use the 948185 and 3-speeds use the 907107. Note that "The Jeep Guy" and lots of other places list the 907107 too.

    So no, the T-15 and T-150 boots are not the same, according to the official Jeep parts book.
     
  6. Sep 12, 2009
    LBOGRS

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    Google search turned up the following:

    T-15 Shift Boot - P/N 907107
    T-15 Shift Boot Retaining Ring - P/N 948146
    D-20 Shift Boot - P/N 986495

    OmixAda website lists the boot as a T-90 boot, but this being a 3-speed, may be the same part as the T-15. They don't specify a model for the retainign ring, but the picture looks right. The D-20 shift boot P/N is an exact match.

    I put an order in to vintage jeep parts, so we'll see what shows up and if it is correct or not...
     
  7. Sep 21, 2009
    LBOGRS

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    Parts showed up this morning and guess what...problems, go figure.

    Shift Boot - P/N 907107 and Shift Boot Retaining Ring - P/N 948146 do not go together. The ring is larger in diameter than the boot, and the 4 mounting holes do not match up. It appears that the boot is correct, since the mounting holes appear to match my trans tunnel cover, but I have to wait until I get home to verify.

    D-20 Shift Boot - P/N 986495 is correct, and matches the mounting ring I already have. In the box with it came a thin wire ring that matches the shape of the retaining ring in the way that it is bent, but I can't tell what this is supposed to be for. Does anyone know?
     
  8. Sep 21, 2009
    1974Sixer

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    For some reason my shifter likes to rip those boots apart. Seems my stick comes out to the right and back of where the original boot was mounted. The last couple of boots I got from 4wd lasted about a day before they split. Needless to say, I figure I'm going to have to try to create a boot if I want to keep one in tact.
     
  9. Sep 21, 2009
    LBOGRS

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    Nice...as in nice Chinese rubber products they're probably using to reman all these 'original' parts over there at OmixAda. I replaced my clutch fork boot a while ago, and it too disintegrated within 6 months. I guess they haven't heard of these new 'space-age' materials like silicone or polyurethane.

    Are you talking about your transmission shifter, or t-case? The trans shifter should be dead-center within the vehicle left-to-right. If it's off-center, your body is probably not mounted exactly correct. The trans shifter lines up directly over the input and main shafts, which are in-line with the engine's crank shaft and, with a Dana 20, the rear diff input yoke. Wheels are equal distances from the rear drive shaft & diff input yoke, so your body should be centered as well.
     
  10. Sep 21, 2009
    1974Sixer

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    I suppose my body has shifted then, cause it ain't dead center of the hole.
     
  11. Sep 21, 2009
    Chilly

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    The wire frame that came with the transfer case boot slips into the underside edge to keep the boot stretched to correct shape and not slide out from under the ring.

    I think the 4WD Hardware T15 boot is way too thick. Mine hasn't torn but it's stiff. I pushed the center down to "dish" the top and make it more flexible. Works well enough so far but I'll probably make a leather one someday.
     
  12. Sep 21, 2009
    LBOGRS

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    Ok, thanks. That is kinda what I thought, but it didn't look like it was going to fit without destroying something. A little patience and it worked.

    T15 boot is quite thick. Maybe this is intentional, so to act sort of like a spring to return the shifter to center when out of gear? My 'bootless' T15 is all floppy unless it is engaged in a gear.
     
  13. Sep 21, 2009
    Chilly

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    I think it is unintentional, and is so springy that it will tend to pop your tranny out of gear. If so just shove the top of the boot down further on the stick and it'll be more flexible.
     
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