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if you were going to put an oil temp gauge in...

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by TexColorado, Apr 16, 2008.

  1. TexColorado

    TexColorado Member

    Where would the sending unit go? This is going to be an electric gauge in place of my broken Auto Meter clock. :)
     
    Last edited: Apr 16, 2008
  2. krawl

    krawl Peon Trainee

    Oil pan is where mine is located.
     
  3. jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

    prolly the best place would be on the engine oil pan, but that means modifying the pan for the fitting and welding.
    Short of that, maybe teeing into/off of the oil pressure sending area, but it prolly won't be as accurate temp wise.
     
  4. Howard Eisenhauer

    Howard Eisenhauer Administrator Staff Member

    Slight hijack here but is an oil temp gauge really going to read anything different than the coolant temp gauge on a liquid cooled motor? I don't think I've ever seen an oil temp gauge on anything other than a plane or a Bug.

    Perplexed Minds Want To Know:rofl:


    We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.


    H.
     
  5. TexColorado

    TexColorado Member

    Here is the story, I have 5 gauges right now including a clock. I have a clock on my stereo and the clock doesn't work. In its place I was looking for a new gauge and the oil temp gauge seemed like the best one sticking with my chrome Auto Meter gauges.

    As far as reading the same temp as the water, it might very well. I don't know how different the two will read.
     
  6. 66cj5

    66cj5 Jeep with no name

    i've thought about about adding one to the transfer case, rather then the engine.

    I think a vacuum gauge would be handier than oil temp anyway.
     
  7. w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

    :iagree:
     
  8. TexColorado

    TexColorado Member

    That is a good idea too.
     
  9. timgr

    timgr We stand on the shoulders of giants. 2022 Sponsor

    Vacuum gauge, definitely. Oil temp for an automatic or a VW, as mentioned.
     
  10. Mike C

    Mike C Member

    Depends.

    Oil temp is one of the most important things with an engine. Oil temp needs to be above 212 degrees in order to boil out moisture (which causes sludge, especially if engines don't get hot enough) but below 275 or so in order to not cause premature oil breakdown. The oil is what transfers heat from the reciprocating parts to the block. It is then the waters job to transfer the heat out of the system via the radiator. Oil temp is really important in high speed, high rpm applications (road race, NASCAR, little motor wound up on the highway) but not so important in a low rpm environment.

    The vacuum gauge is a great tuning tool that lets you monitor for vacuum leaks and idle mixture adjustments, but the oil temp is a more vital instrument.

    Our water-cooled VW had an oil temp gauge and the owners manual said that when it got in the red to slow down until it cooled off. The 1.8 liter motor turned about 4500 rpm at 75 mph, but unlike an F or L head, would do that all day provided oil temp was controlled.
     
  11. Hill

    Hill Member

    doodads geegaws

    Maybe someone aught to go "all the way" with gauges.
    Imagine the possibilities!

    Voltage
    Amperage
    Engine coolant temp
    Engine Oil pressure
    Engine oil temperature
    Engine vacuum
    Power steering pump temperature
    Power steering pressure!

    Transmission oil temperature
    Transmission oil pressure (automatic)!

    Transfercase temperature
    Differential temperatures (front and rear)
    Compressed air pressure

    There are probably a few more I didn't think of. Imagine meeting someone on the trail, and your dashboard looks like something from a Convair 400 !!!

    -Pat
     
  12. Hansh

    Hansh Going Mobile

    I have one on my diesel engine.
     
  13. Howard Eisenhauer

    Howard Eisenhauer Administrator Staff Member

    Re: doodads geegaws

    You forgot the clock :).

    Actually, a few months back I got hit with one of my more rabid ideas- picking up an artificial horizon on Ebay to mount to the dash, definitely way classier than one of those cheesy "clinometers" they sell:twisted:

    Oh yeah, a gyro compass to go with it:twisted::twisted:

    H.
     
  14. Howard Eisenhauer

    Howard Eisenhauer Administrator Staff Member

    So, perplexed minds want to know if your diesel is air or liquid cooled, & if it's lc does the oil temp indeed read anything radically different from the coolant temp?

    H.:)
     
  15. Hansh

    Hansh Going Mobile

    Yes they are different. Liquid Cooled, Antifreeze runs about 160* - 180*, Oil temp 210* -230* . It will run higher than that on hot days and pulling a load. Those oil temps are before the oil cooler. You can use an oil cooler to help cool the engine, but you have to be careful not to over cool or restrict the oil.
     
  16. Brian P

    Brian P Member

    It is my understanding that oil temperature must be at least 180 to burn off condensation and acids that form in the oil, Looks like a 160 degree engine thermostat will just let the oil get hot enough to accomplish this. I know in the colder climates the F-Heads run better @180 but here for me 160 has no ill affects so far.
     
  17. Hansh

    Hansh Going Mobile

    I do not think you can related what your coolant temp is to what your oil temp is. The coolant can only carry so much heat away. The oil temp in my truck is higher than the coolant temp. The systems are separate. The oil is directly exposed to higher internal temperatures, mostly combustion, either spark or compression. The coolant is only exposed to the heat radiated off the block, head, intake, etc after the combustion event.
     
  18. Mike C

    Mike C Member

    As I noted above, you need to get your oil temp to at least 212 deg f, which is the temperature that water boils. This gets the liquid condensation turned to vapor where it can be removed by the PCV system.

    The waters primary job is to remove heat from the engine block that has been transferred by the oil. As I had kind of laid out before, the oil is the one doing the real work. The oil is the one where it is most important to maintain temp, it's just that the water is the first system to overheat (usually, but not always) if the oil level is correct and the pump functioning.

    But obviously the OEM's have just put water temp gauges in most vehicles since that is easier for people to monitor and understand. Most Diesels have thermostatically controlled oil coolers to keep oil temp in the ideal operating range.