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Still running rough

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by lynn, Jan 22, 2007.

  1. Jan 22, 2007
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Sunday I started the CJ. It started... ran as rough as when I started it last (NOV? )

    I applied the Magic Box.
    I forgot to take pics :(

    This thing is called an Ignition Eliminator, used for troubleshooting or emergency-limp-home. It's a box about 8"x10" 2" thick, made somewhere in Florida by a company called A.M.E. It has a "coil" wire that you feed into the dist, a + and - batt cable, an on/off switch and a remote starter button. Thats all there is to it. You remove your coil wire, put this in place, crank the engine and turn it on.
    Pretty cool, it worked! (I forgot to disconnect the + and - to the coil, you should have seen the blue sparks coming out of that!! :shock: :D ) OK, shut it down, pull of the coil +/- wires.
    So I cranked it over again, my wife threw the switch, it started and ran, but only slightly better, if at all. :rofl:
    The Magic Box told me my problem isn't ignition.
    And it's not carb either... I get no bog, cough or hesitation when I blip the throttle, say turning at 1000 - 1500 rpm... the carb is set right.... it's just a pretty steady miss.
    When I run it up to 2200/2500 rpm, it smooths out at first, the other cylinders are carrying the one or two that are not firing, then I start to get some popping. Unburnt fuel (black smoke) in the headers/muffler popping off. If I hold it there, the popping gets worse and in a minute or less, it pops of BIG out the exhaust :shock:

    What is puzzling is that last May it ran excellent offroad. Towed it home. Started it, pulled it into the driveway to was it. Did hose down the engine, but covered the dist.
    Some water may have drained down along the air cleaner center bolt... not much if any... when I started it after that, it had the miss.
    I've replaced the Pertronix with a new unit, rebuilt the barb, put in new cap and rotor. Initially the miss was only on the passenger bank. Now it seems to be in both banks, I've got the big pops out the drivers side as well as the pass side.

    Seems to have happened too suddenly to be the cam or a burnt valve.

    Can't seem to track this down. Next I'll verify the timing is still on... after that I'll do a compression check, then pull the valve covers and fire it up, see if maybe something looks amiss in the valve train movement...

    Feel free to post any ideas :?
     
  2. Jan 22, 2007
    grannyscj

    grannyscj Headed to the Yukon

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    If your plug wires are old and jumping fire they'll cause a wierd miss like you're up against a rev limiter. Only thing else I could think of would be timing, maybe broke a tooth and a gear jumped? Good luck.:v6:
     
  3. Jan 22, 2007
    panzer

    panzer Super Mod Staff Member

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    X2. Although mine was my F4. But it sounded like the same type of
    symptoms. I swapped out the plugs, wires, points, and coil. Was
    preparing to put in the Petronics but it ran so smooth I didn't get
    the new ignition in yet. Will do it some day. But I was totally
    suprized how much better it ran.
     
  4. Jan 22, 2007
    blevisay

    blevisay Oh Noooooooooooooooo! Staff Member

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    Put the ole Vac gauge on it Lynn
     
  5. Jan 22, 2007
    speedbuggy

    speedbuggy Looking for a Jeep now

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    Could it be vacuum? maybe a manifold gasket sucking extra air? cracked hose? I dunno, I know I'd be looking there. Good luck Lynn.


    Edit: Billy and I are thinking the same thing ;)
     
  6. Jan 22, 2007
    blevisay

    blevisay Oh Noooooooooooooooo! Staff Member

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    I am so not getting in the corner with you:rofl: :)
     
  7. Jan 22, 2007
    speedbuggy

    speedbuggy Looking for a Jeep now

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    It's been kinda slow in the corner lately. Everyone must be behaving themselves ;)
     
  8. Jan 22, 2007
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    I just spent some time re-reading Sparkys marathon thread.
    I need to get a vac gage.
     
  9. Jan 22, 2007
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    I think if it were me Lynn, I would run the engine up to speed, say 1500rpm or so (whenever it starts popping) and then I would pull plug wires off each cylinder, one at a time, and note the difference in engine balance. With a healthy cylinder, a big drop in RPM would be noticed, whereas a weak cylinder might go unnoticed.
    If the headers are not painted, look for a tube(s) that show discoloration of running lean: pink, rainbow colored...moreso than the others; if painted, disregard.
    When water entered one of my cylinders and I bent the rod on start-up, the engine popped and ran much as you describe. The discoloration of the header tube and popping were the only clues I had to work with.
    Keep at it, you'll find the problem.
     
  10. Jan 22, 2007
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Going to buy a vacuum gage after work.
    Looks like I should be able to get one at FLAPS for ~$20.
    Jim, I couldn't have ingested much water at all... I had a puddle in the depression on top of the air cleaner. Some may have seeped down, but it didn't drain the depression, I used a towel to absorb it.
    But, if that did happen, the vac gage will point to it, and pulling plugs as you describe will isolate it.
    Tubes were painted with heat resistant silver :rofl: now rusted :mad: won't see any discoloration.

    So right now my plan is to first verify timing, then hook up the vac gage, see what that points to.
    Not sure when I'll get to that, hopefully some night this week.
     
  11. Jan 22, 2007
    Steamer

    Steamer Thick and gritty!

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    Just a reminder, Lynn: buy a chunk of hose long enough to read the gauge while you toodle around on the street a bit. If not this time, maybe next.........
     
  12. Jan 22, 2007
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Good advice [​IMG] Will do.
     
  13. Jan 22, 2007
    BlueFlu

    BlueFlu past owner of some ecj5's

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    Lynn start it up and when the temp is up take a spray bottle of water and spray each header tube one at a time, it'll show you fast which one is not firing.
     
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