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She dies at about 100 yards

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by spize909, Dec 22, 2006.

  1. Dec 22, 2006
    spize909

    spize909 '65 Tux........SOLD

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    My jeep '65 cj5 with '67 225 will go about 100 yards and start to die or just stall altogether........then start back up.

    Most tune-up items have been done but the points, cap, condenser, and the fuel pump.

    I had the carb rebuilt (didn't want to screw it up) and the guy said most likely it's the points.

    I've had the cap off and everything looks pretty new. I figured I'd check the gap on the points and took the 2 screws out of the rotor and removed it. I guess that the thing with the springs on it is the centrifugal advance?
    Anyway I can't seem to get a good look at the gap on the points. :mad:
    I know that cap has that "window" you can open to adjust things, one book I have says the dwell and the gap. I don't know how you could make a gap adjustment from there..........

    What's the best way to set the gap on the points? How do I get in there to see it?
    Carb guy said .030 and the book says .016.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.
    Fuel pump will be getting changed also......any thing to watch out for in that operation?:rofl:
     
  2. Dec 22, 2006
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    doubt it's the points..
    sounds like fuel problem for distance traveled
    quick check for the pump and lines back to the tank:
    pull the outlet hose off the pump and place in container
    start the Jeep and let idle
    should put out a pint or so in under 30 seconds
    if not, restriction, foreign matter, pinched line, bad pump etc
     
  3. Dec 22, 2006
    Bucket of Bolts

    Bucket of Bolts Broke Member

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    dirty fuel filter or some other restriction
     
  4. Dec 23, 2006
    1960willyscj5

    1960willyscj5 Well-Known Member

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    Did somebody maybe sneak up and drop a ping-pong ball in your gastank?

    That sounds like the right distance for that little prank.R) :coffee:
     
  5. Dec 23, 2006
    Strider380

    Strider380 Can I have a zip tie?

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    Definitley set it to .016 I have a 225 and I know what ya mean about the points. You can't get a gauge in there. Alot different then the 258. So far I have judged by eye and havn't had a problem. I always try to imagine about the thickness of a matchbook cover. you could probablly bend a matchbook cover to fit in there easier then a gauge.
     
  6. Dec 23, 2006
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    To be truthfully honest to set the points right, you set the dwell not the gap. The gap is only a rough measurement the dwell is the one thats dead on. If the book calls for .016" with the factory distributor and thats what you have, your carb guy is definately wrong, to much gap will make the motor run just as bad as not enough.
    But I agree it sounds like your running out of fuel.
     
  7. Dec 23, 2006
    Howard Eisenhauer

    Howard Eisenhauer Administrator Staff Member

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    Sounds like fuel to me as well- have you blown out the fuel line? A partial blockage will let you idle all day but as soon as you start moving the carb can't get enough gas & soon (~100 yards down the road:twisted: ) empties the bowl. May also be a vacuum buildup in the tank, didn't change to fuel cap lately did you?

    H.
     
  8. Dec 23, 2006
    spize909

    spize909 '65 Tux........SOLD

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    New fuel tank, cap, and all rubber lines but not the hard line.
    I did blow air thru it before putting in the new tank.

    I do have a very small inline fuel filter that I bought cuz it was the only inline they had and at the time I just needed something on there so I could tinker with it.........gonna go buy one of those as well.

    I got a stock gas cap and it wouldn't appear to vent in anyway.
    There is no vent on the tank, just the return linme from the pump. I thought about the possible vacuum pressure on the tank.

    As far as the points goes, I know that the allen head bolt is for the dwell (i think:) ) but have no idea how to set it correctly.

    I'm so close!:beer:
     
  9. Dec 23, 2006
    spize909

    spize909 '65 Tux........SOLD

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    I just reread your post jp.
    Does that mean I can expect to burn a gallon of gas in 4 minutes? :shock:

    Or is the flow much faster when not regulated by the carb?
     
  10. Dec 23, 2006
    Bucket of Bolts

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    The pump only supplies fuel to the carb. The carb meters the fuel out and mixes it into the airstream, creating a fuel/air ratio that burns efficiently. At least thats what it's supposed to do when it is working correctly.

    jp is right, check fuel flow on the output side of the pump, I usually pull the line off the carb and check it there, that will tell you alot. It does not take much dirt to plug up a small fuel filter, I don't where yours is located, but if it is up by the carb and it is plugged, the pump will preasurize the line up to the filter. After the engine dies do to lack of fuel, the line should stay preasurized and continue to push a small amount of fuel through the filter to partially refill the carb and allow it to be started again.
    I'm not saying don't check the points. It's a good time to familiarize yourself with that stuff too.

    just my $.02
     
  11. Dec 23, 2006
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    I had a fuel line that would allow the truck to idle and run down the street but soon as I got four blocks away and came back it'd die. I'd idle back home...

    I had a fuel line that was collapsing and wouldn't feed enough to keep the bowl full unless the truck was idling.

    You said it was all soft line, I'd be sure and double check that and maybe put some hard line in for the longer runs.
     
  12. Dec 23, 2006
    Strider380

    Strider380 Can I have a zip tie?

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    you do dwell with a dwell meter. its got two wires kinda like a tach meter or a volt meter. infact they're usually all incorporated into one.
     
  13. Dec 23, 2006
    spize909

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    I replaced the fuel filter.
    I have already replaced all of the rubber fuel line.
    The fuel line is "hard" from the tank to within about 12" of the pump and then goes to rubber (new).
    I think it is either the pump or maybe thaere is some kind of restriction in the hard line. I am going to check the flow using the jp method.
     
  14. Dec 23, 2006
    spize909

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    Great info Madizell.
    I did the flow test and got just under a pint in 30 seconds, which was just about the amount of time that the carb started starving for fuel.
    I then thought to try it with the cap off. It didn't seem to solve the problem, though for some reason it seemed better.....I drove quite a bit and it died while going uphill. I have very little gas in the tank....maybe it wasn't getting to the pickup.
    Could I vent my brand new stock cap by drilling 2 offset holes through the top and the inside part?
    Seems the only way that I could be collapsing that brand new line would be if the tank was not venting. Why would they have a cap that didn't vent?

    Can I blow air from the carb side of the fuel pump to the tank, or will it now make it past the pump or possibly damage the pump?
     
  15. Dec 23, 2006
    spize909

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    I put 5 gallons in her, removed the cap and drove her all over the neighborhood.

    I then drill an 1/8" hole thru the cap and put it on. Drove it about a mile and parked it, walked the dog, got back in and it died after about a 1/4 mile. Opened the cap and replaced it,started back up and drove a couple more miles and went home.......

    It sure seems to be a venting issue.

    Is it me or is 1st gear on my T-98 kinda like a granny gear?
    Seems alot better just starting out in 2nd for street driving.
     
  16. Dec 24, 2006
    spize909

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    I am going to try and find a pump today.

    The tank is brand new along with all of the lines, except the section of steel line.

    When I was waiting for my new tank to ship we actually ran it with a gas can but didn't bypass the pump.
    It never died..........but I didn't have brakes and I was just creeping around in low range so the fuel demand was not as high.

    It only did it once in 3 miles yesterday...I may need a bigger hole in the cap. I will also try and find a properly vented cap today.
    Thanks for your reply and MERRY XMAS!
     
  17. Dec 24, 2006
    dohc281

    dohc281 It is what it is.

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    I put a new sending unit in my fuel tank this spring. I started having problems after 3 months similar to yours and found that the carb was full of crud that turned out to be the sealant I used to seal the sending unit to the gas tank that oozed out and dropped into the tank and got sucked up by the carb. Just sayin...
     
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