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Ventilating Windshield

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Howard Eisenhauer, Nov 22, 2003.

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  1. Nov 22, 2003
    Howard Eisenhauer

    Howard Eisenhauer Administrator Staff Member

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    Any experts here on these things?

    I've got the bug to have one for the re-build on our CJ5. Any info/pictures/drawings/sources greatly appreaciated.

    Thanks,

    Howard.
     
    Howard Eisenhauer, Nov 22, 2003
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  2. Nov 23, 2003
    Ppilotmike

    Ppilotmike old JEEPer

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    I'm not an expert but I think you are talking about a saffari windsheild. Some of the guys here have them and I think I resently saw one for sale can't remember where. Keep an eye on the for sale pages here and at willys tech site. Good luck with your resto Mike
     
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  3. Nov 23, 2003
    kamel

    kamel Senior Curmudgeon

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    There are two parts that you need to make one. First is the inner windshield frame. The inner frame is the same as the CJ3B ventilating windshield frame, only it is longer.

    I say this, because you may have to make an inner frame out pieces of rusty parts and the 3B may be more common than the cj5. Also I think they are still making the 3B ventilating frame in India and you could make one for a cj5 out of two for a 3B.

    The second part is the gasket from the inner frame to the outer windshield frame. Same story as the inner windshield frame re cj3b

    The rest of the parts, hinge, arms latches are all available for the cj2a.

    The outer windshield frame is identical to the normal cj5 top mount windshield wiper frame. You will need the top mount frame that has four holes drilled with threaded inserts. These are located next to the defroster vents, two on each side. If you have them you will see them, they are obvious. If you have to search for them, then you don't have them. I've seen the threaded inserts on frames as late as 1966. There were a lot of frames made with the inserts that were not made into ventilating frames, but sold as normal frames.

    If you need pictures of a ventilating windshield frame, I have an NOS ventilating frame (not for sale) and can send you some pictures if you want them.

    kamel
     
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  4. Nov 23, 2003
    schardein

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    Just a note, my 1967 (late 1966?) w/s frame has the holes you mention. There was another thread about this awhile back, that is how I found out what they were for.
     
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  5. Nov 23, 2003
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Kamel, just to clear up somthing here- Are you saying the outer frame is exactly the same as as the regular top mount wiper frame? The reason I ask is because other people have told me that its a distinct part & the (few, indistinct) pictures I've located on the web seem to show the wipers installled on the "ventilating setup" mounted to the top of the inner frame. I'm wondering if there were two different styles of these things produced.

    I may have located an inner frame so I might decide to "roll my own" for the outer if I can make it look factory. I would definately appreaciate any photos of yours that you could post or email to me.

    Thanks,

    H.
     
    Howard Eisenhauer, Nov 23, 2003
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  6. Nov 24, 2003
    Jeepnut67

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    The normal "top wiper" WS frame does have all the holes that the safari WS needs, I've compared them when I first got my safari WS and was interested in buildng another one. The hardest part would be the inner frame and the channel hinge at the top. There are a few around, you might try contacting Willy's Works here in Tucson AZ, they might know of one or even have one on hand. After having this one I will never part with it, even if I sell the Jeep it is on.
     
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  7. Nov 24, 2003
    kamel

    kamel Senior Curmudgeon

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    Any top mounted cj5/6 windshield frame could be a ventilating windshield frame. If the four holes don't exist then you'd have to drill and tap them somehow.

    A top mounted frame with the holes I mentioned above was made at the factory as an 'either-or" frame meaning that if Jeep wanted to make it a ventilating frame they could.


    The inner and seal are the two parts to have first. As far as the top hinge goes, you could use a 2A windshield hinge or something like it.

    The original hinge on the vent windshield allowed for removal of the inner frame by sliding the inner to the side. The 2A wouldn't allow this.

    All the other parts could be fabricated or 2A parts could be used.

    Naturally the glass portion of the windshield would be smaller than a 'normal' frame, but that is the way the factory ones were.

    If I sell the jeep that this windshield frame happens to be on, I will swap it out before putting it up for sale.


    kamel
     
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  8. Nov 24, 2003
    60CJ5

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    I have some photos of mine in my web shots (www in my signiture). not any detailed but they will give the the general idea. If you need details, let me know and I will post some.
     
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  9. Nov 24, 2003
    Jeepnut67

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    um.. am I blind????? I dont see a www in your signature! Too much :beer: :beer: :beer: ????
     
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  10. Nov 24, 2003
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Thanks! Clearest pictures I've seen so far, a few more details have become clear :).


    If I can get that inner frame I heard about I'll definatey go for it, however it's missing the bottom channel, so here's tonight's questions:

    Can anyone give me the cross-section of the inner frame channels & the gasket? Sources?


    What does the hinge section on the outer frame look like? (Detailed photos appreaciated:))


    Thanks again,


    H.
     
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  11. Nov 25, 2003
    60CJ5

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    I will post some detail pictures tonight.
     
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  12. Nov 13, 2004
    rocnrol

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    diging up bones here by bringing up this post. i have a couple of these windshields that are factory. what i need the most for these is the seal that goes between the inner and the outer frame. i have been looking for years and all i can find is one for a 2a, which i dont think will work as the corners are molded perfectly square, where as on the 5 the corners are round.
    help?
     
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  13. Nov 13, 2004
    Kaiserjeeps

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    Didn't someone make the gasket in Brazil? I printed the stuff out a year or so ago to contact them but never have. Suppose I probably should....
     
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  14. Nov 13, 2004
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Whoa! Talk about bringing back memories! I think that was my first post here :). F.E.'s I. I did finally get a NOS vent windshield off of EBay, & coincidently the CJ6 I just got (see "Magnificent" in the Garage Pics forum) has the remains of one as well. It still has pieces of the original gasket, given a piece of that to use as a cross section I wonder if it would be possible to get a batch made up? Somewheres on the net I've also seen supplies for casting rubber parts, but that would likely classify as "Another Project" :(.

    Failing the real thing turning up I'll probably resort to making one out of neoprene, there's a guy up the street who builds dry suits for a living, he's got premo stuff :). Might glue some of that magnetic sign material to the back side to give it some grip to the outer frame.

    If you do get a source on the real thing I'd appreaciate hearing about it.

    H.
     
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  15. Nov 13, 2004
    Boyink

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    Nothing to add, just wanted to see my SSDutch and Tonka on the same thread...;)
     
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  16. Nov 13, 2004
    rocnrol

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    kaiserjeeps that would be great if you could :D :D
     
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  17. Nov 17, 2004
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    There is a certain family resemblance :).

    H.
     
    Howard Eisenhauer, Nov 17, 2004
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  18. Nov 18, 2004
    SandhillMike

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    Both Scott (60CJ5) and I have been looking for the gaskets (seals) and have not been able to find them. I'm taking mine to a glass shop to see if they can make one.
     
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  19. Nov 18, 2004
    blevisay

    blevisay Oh Noooooooooooooooo! Staff Member

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    Thinking..........Dang it...I saw some gaskets someplace......
     
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  20. Nov 18, 2004
    blevisay

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