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Towing w/locking steering wheel

Discussion in 'Intermediate CJ-5/6/7/8' started by jat, Jun 13, 2006.

  1. Jun 13, 2006
    jat

    jat New Member

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    I need to flat tow my 84 CJ7. It has power steering and a locking steering wheel. What is the best procedure for towing this jeep.
    ( trans. is 5 sp. W/ dana 30 t-case) thanks , jat
     
  2. Jun 13, 2006
    BlueFlu

    BlueFlu past owner of some ecj5's

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    Key on battery cable unhooked.
     
  3. Jun 13, 2006
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    You must unlock the column to flat tow. Best thing to do: Disconnect the battery. Then rotate your switch to the unlocked position.

    I recently flat towed my '71 (has a swapped-in '78 tilt/locking column) about 400 miles this way. I didn't need to disconnect my battery as my column has a position where it will unlock, but still no power. Not sure if yours has that, may be best to disconnect the batt.

    I think you mean it has a Dana 300 tcase.
    The D300 output bearing is not lubed when in neutral; it is only lubed when the tcase is in gear and turning (splash-lube) If you flat tow any significant distance with the tcase in neutral and the rear drive shaft still in place, you can burn up the output bearing. (I think the owners manual used to say 50 miles max, then you have to drive it for 5 minutes to lubricate the bearing, then tow another 50... :rofl:)

    You have 4 alternatives:

    1). Flat tow as far as you want all at once with drive shaft in place and burn up the bearing. :mad: (Only the D300 has this unpleasant feature, the D18 and D20 can be flat towed in neutral without disconnecting; no ill effect to the output bearings in those models)

    2). Follow the 50 mile max process above. :rofl:

    3). Remove the rear driveshaft, and be sure front hubs are unlocked, then flat tow to your hearts content [​IMG]

    4) Have your D300 modified by having "oiling tabs" welded on to the output shaft (or something, I forget exactly) inside the tcase so you can flat tow any distance without burning up the bearing.. $$$$

    HTH Jat, let us know if other questions. :beer:
     
  4. Jun 13, 2006
    BlueFlu

    BlueFlu past owner of some ecj5's

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    :oops: forgot about the tcase. :oops:
     
  5. Jun 13, 2006
    High5

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    Not to hyjack, but you can flat tow with a Dana 20 and not worry about the above???

    High5
     
  6. Jun 13, 2006
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    That is my understanding, only the D300 has the flat-towing problem.
     
  7. Jun 13, 2006
    jat

    jat New Member

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    thanks guys .... I appreciate your help! You're righr Lynn .... it's a dana 300..... jat
     
  8. Jun 13, 2006
    nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

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    The Dana 20 can suffer from the same problem but you can lock in the front hubs which will spin the gears in the lower end of the case and splash oil the bearings. This won't work with the 300 due to internal differences. Some people go many miles with no issues flat towing the 20 and I've seen them burn up within a couple of miles. I'd recommend removing the drive shaft if you plan on flat towing. It takes away any issues. Best of all choices would be to trailer it but not convenient for many people. Nickmil
     
  9. Jun 14, 2006
    Posimoto

    Posimoto Hopeless JEEP Addict

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    There is also the option of a full floater with locking hubs.
     
  10. Jun 15, 2006
    biggamehunter

    biggamehunter New Member

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    What is up with unlocking the colum?I flat tow mine hunting every year,no problems.I have sean more problems without locking the steering than with, on u-turns someone will have to go and strighten the wheels.
     
  11. Jun 15, 2006
    lynn

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    A flat-towed vehicle with good positive caster angle will track straight and true, and return to center all on it's own when towed, even after a hairpin u-turn. I'd suspect that a rig that needs it's wheels straightened probably has inadequate caster angle, possibly the result of a lift without installing caster shims. I'd suspect such a vehicle may have a "wandering" issue when driving at highway speeds.

    I just flat-towed towed my CJ 175 miles each way in mid-May. This included city streets, lots of highway, and dirt roads, and a few 270-degree turns in parking lots. It followed the truck perfectly... I have 6 degrees positive caster.
     
  12. Jun 15, 2006
    sac13

    sac13 Come oooonnnnn summer....

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    Ok. Just to claify. You can flat tow as long as 1) the positive battery terminal is disconected 2) the key is 'on' 3) the transfer case is in neutral. I plan on flat towing mine at least 2 times each year approx 250 miles each way, so I want to make sure I get this right!
     
  13. Jun 15, 2006
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    not to muddy this up....
    when the column is locked (wheel locked), the first position the key will turn to is column unlocked (wheel free); there should be no power; no warning lights, etc. the ignition will not be on.
    just make sure the wheel is free; not necc to disconnect the battery in my opinion.
    the rest is can of worms: neutral, remove rear shaft etc...
     
  14. Jun 15, 2006
    mtndewmaniac66

    mtndewmaniac66 Down to Earth!

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    I have also experienced that when towing a vehicle with aftermarket wheels that are wider than stock, and the wheel offset, (or back space, is not stock) will affect towability on sharp turns. Wider than stock wheels also affect tracking. I had to occasionally straighten my Tux's wheels on my trip from the front range of Colo. to N.E. Utah, until I mounted the original wheels in the front. I had the same effect with my '68 C10 when I had towed it to the carwash.
     
  15. Jun 15, 2006
    lynn

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    You'd be safer to disconnect the rear drive shaft since you have a D20, as Nickmil described above.

    Jim, you're right, on my column the first position is unlocked, no power. That's the way I ran mine, I didn't disconnect the battery. However, many folks do recommend disconnecting, and disconnected there's no chance of accidental battery drain...

    Mtndew, I run 33x12.50 MTs on 15x10 wheels with 4" backspacing. Rig has about 3" of lift, and 5-degree caster shims. This is my first time towing this CJ, and it tracked perfectly in every situation. Other than caster, or a too-stiff steering box, I can't imagine why the wheels wouldn't return to center as you and Biggamehunter experienced.
    I'm certainly no towing expert, so your experiences say alot! I can only offer that I ran mine this way and it worked great

    [​IMG]
     
  16. Jun 15, 2006
    sac13

    sac13 Come oooonnnnn summer....

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    Nice looking rig Lynn. You are probably bored now that it looks and runs so well. I'd be happy to trade if you get too bored and need something to work on.........
     
  17. Jun 15, 2006
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Thanks.. :) Not bored, it ALWAYS needs something... :rofl:
    I will get to drive it topless this evening, first time this season! Gotta drive across town for a haircut tonight :D
     
  18. Jun 15, 2006
    biggamehunter

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    Just a reminder when you disconnect a battery disconnect the negitive battery cable on a negtive grouned system. When you disconnect the postive cable the system is still live.
     
  19. Aug 19, 2006
    DrNewland

    DrNewland 1980 CJ-5

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    so how does someone diconnect the rear driveshaft?
     
  20. Aug 19, 2006
    DrNewland

    DrNewland 1980 CJ-5

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    I mean is it really a matter of oulling the bolts and disconnecting it? and then what? do you tie it up to the frame
     
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