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Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by haselbw, Mar 22, 2006.

  1. Mar 22, 2006
    haselbw

    haselbw New Member

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    Hey all:

    I just bought this Jeep:

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    It's a little rough but better than some out there I have seen. I picked it up for $1700 on Ebay. It's a 67 CJ5 V6. That's about what I know about it. I have a few questions.

    1. This thing does not have seat belts...did it from the factory? I ordered a set because I want them in there either way.

    2. I went to adjust the clutch today, and realized the clutch cable is actually a CHAIN! Is that normal? It's really cool because I got the clutch adjusted in 2 minutes.

    3. Whats the "safe" top speed of one of this Jeep?

    4. What is the procedure for putting it into 4wd?

    Thanks for the info.
     
  2. Mar 22, 2006
    Roboter

    Roboter Klaatu Barada Jeepto

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    1.) IIRC, yes.

    2.) It's normal because the original cable was removed and upgraded with either a home brew chain linkage or the AA kit.

    3.) What's the "safe" posted speed limit in your area? Depending on if you have an OD or not, 55mph sounds reasonable here in the US.

    4.) Depends on what's your 4wd setup. Twin stick or single stick xcase.
    I usually lock in hubs and shift 4wd level into 4wd. From a dead stop of course.
     
  3. Mar 22, 2006
    haselbw

    haselbw New Member

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    Thanks for the quick reply...my other toy is a 99 Corvette FRC and it's easier to figure stuff out on there (including what speed is safe:)) I was just curious if I could do 70 in it or not.

    I have one lever for the 4x4. I had the engine running, and the shifter in N, but I could not seem to pull the transfer case down to 4x4. I didn't try real hard because I didn't want to break something, but it just didn't want to budge.
     
  4. Mar 22, 2006
    sagegoat

    sagegoat The good life........

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    Good Questions! I know this, I dont drive my jeep over 50mph, it looks like I've been drinken if I go any faster.R)
     
  5. Mar 22, 2006
    Roboter

    Roboter Klaatu Barada Jeepto

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    Clutch in? May want to put it in gear and go foward a little then stop, clutch in and try shifting into 4wd again.
     
  6. Mar 23, 2006
    zed

    zed Iowa- Gateway to Nebraska

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    nice looking jeep. looking forward to a more complete description.

    seat belts are an essential idea! imho.
    harry made a good call on the clutch linkage upgrade.
    some people here say they drive at 70mph routinely.
    my advice is to get used to it at lower speeds first. remember it has a short wheel base (81") and certainly a higher center of gravity than your vett. also find out if there is any steering lash and how fast the steering is. if it's been upgraded to power steering, some people used a quick ratio box. i'm more comfortable with 3.5 to 4 turns lock to lock. but there are people on here who like using a 2.5 or 3.0.

    i have taken my 69 up to 65mph but it doesn't feel stable to me yet. mostly cause my caster is still off and my tire pressure was around 25 to 30psi. 55 mph is no problem esp with overdrive.

    with the single stick 4x4 lever it can be stiff but as harry said use the clutch. sometimes you have to move forward or backward a little. although this is more of problem if you've driven in 4wd on a hard dry road because there gets to be some tension between front and rear shafts.
    shifting all the way back (toward the rear of the jeep) is 4wd Low. make sure you're stopped when you shift into this.
     
  7. Mar 23, 2006
    Hippo393

    Hippo393 Jeepless

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    Welcome from Ohio! Where are you located? :)

    Nice Jeep.

    2) Lucky dog on the AA chain clutch linkage!

    3) It also depends on what gearing ratio are in your axles. I go 75 MPH rather easily in a '71 CJ-5 w/ 3.73 gears and hardly know it. Don't even use the OD.

    4) Consider ordering one of these handy-dandy dash decals if there isn't one already on there:

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  8. Mar 23, 2006
    haselbw

    haselbw New Member

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    Thanks again for all the help, I'll play with the 4wd when I get home today if it isn't raining. I don't know if I had the clutch in or not. This isn't my first 4x4, just my first all manual 4x4. I used to have a 87 Cherokee, 00 Blazer, 02 Sierra.

    To answer a few questions, I live in Bowling Green, KY but I am from Pittsburgh, and have lived in Denver and southern Indiana.

    Not sure what gearing I have, but 1st gear is over REAL QUICKLY. I can actually take off in 2nd just about as easy as first, so I'm guessing it is geared fairly low. I guess it would be hard to tell unless I opened up the rear diff, right?

    The guy I bought this from didn't know a lot about the Jeep because he didn't have it all that long.
     
  9. Mar 23, 2006
    Mudweiserjeep

    Mudweiserjeep JEEP: Bouncy and Fun

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    :iagree:
    Your gear ratio is a big factor as well as the shape of the Jeep. I have many worn steering parts.......I don't drive fast in mine.

    Welcome from Ohio
     
  10. Mar 23, 2006
    timgr

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    The V6 came with either 3.73:1 or 4.88:1 axle ratios. 1st is about 3:1.

    Typically you only need 1st from a standing start - even rolling a little and 2nd is fine. Is your 1st gear synchronized?

    Regarding safe speed, if everything is in good condition, you should have no trouble driving highway speeds with either of those gear ratios. Things typically sound very busy at those speeds though. I wouldn't worry about straigth-ahead stability so much as evasive maneuvers at high speed (IF everything is in top shape). You'll have to use your judgement.

    Congratulations and welcome!
     
  11. Mar 23, 2006
    haselbw

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    Hmmm, how do I know if 1st is synchronized? This is the oldest vehicle I have ever driven (I'm 27). I know I don't have to double clutch going into 2nd if that helps.
     
  12. Mar 23, 2006
    timgr

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    Regarding 4wd shifting, you can go from 2wd high to 4wd high at any speed, if the hubs are dialed in. Hubs locked?

    Into 4wd low, it's not synchronized but you can be rolling VERY slowly (barely moving!), grab the shifter, and pull back all the way. Hubs locked! You'll may get a little gear clash, but that's ok.
     
  13. Mar 23, 2006
    timgr

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    Re the synchro, can you shift into 1st when you are moving without gear clash? Try it, no double clutch, maybe 5 mph, move the shifter normally.

    You should have a T-14 transmission (I think) which will have a synchro 1st. The earlier T-86 does not. From your comment about the gear ratios (ie not needing 1st), I'd guess it's a T-14.
     
  14. Mar 23, 2006
    BlueFlu

    BlueFlu past owner of some ecj5's

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    Welcome middle TN.
     
  15. Mar 23, 2006
    michigan_pinstripes

    michigan_pinstripes I'm not lost, I'm wandering

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    Great starter rig and fair price too!
     
  16. Mar 23, 2006
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    First, welcome aboard and congratulations on your new purchase!
    These old Jeeps have their quirks, and need to be modernized a bit, but we'll help you with that.

    First, go to the USER CP button above and update your profile with your location, and put your name in your signature, so we know who were talking to and where you are ;) :)

    Now onto your Jeep. Have we clarified whether you have a 3 speed or 4 speed tranny?
    If 3, is first gear synchronized? If a 4 speed... where is reverse in the pattern? We might have you crawl under and look for numbers, sounds like this Jeep has had some mods.
    As Tim said, there were only 2 factory diff ratios available in '67, with 3.73 most common. You should be able to jack up the rear and count drive shaft revolutions to tire revolution to determine gear ratio. 3 3/4 driveshaft revs to one tire rev: 3.73. Almost 5 revs: 4.88

    These :v6: Jeeps, when everything is set up correctly, are easily capable of 70 mph in a straight line, safely. I routinely drive mine to 70 for passing when on highway trips, but for the most part I prefer to cruise at 60-65.
    But it does take some getting used to, and there are things that should be checked and/or upgraded. Steering needs to have almost no play in the wheel-to-tire connections. Wheel bearings should all be checked and/or replaced. Knuckles should be disassembled, kingpins checked/bearings replaced, and seals replaced. Many of us have upgraded to Saginaw steering from the factory Ross box to correct worn out Ross set ups.
    Springs should be replaced if original, as well as eye bushings, to help with lateral/sway control. Many of us have installed 2.5" lift springs to permit taller tires and polyurethane eye bushings.
    The clutch chain control is a good thing; many of us have swapped these in.
    Getting stopped safely is as important as keeping speed with traffic. The factory brakes are marginal at best. Many of us have upgraded to later style 11" drums at all corners, others have installed front disc brakes. Hmmm, 67... you may have a single-chamber master cylinder. Many of us have upgraded to the later style dual-chamber, it provides some additional measure of safety.

    Regarding the 4 wheel drive lever... the pattern posted above is correct for the single lever. If it doesn't want to go into 4wd low or high, sometimes the shift rails connected to the shifter have a buildup of rust/gunk from being in one position for many years and they can be reluctant to move, especially the movement of the rod back into the case. Gunk/rust may prevent the rod from moving in because of the seal. Also, sometimes the linkage is worn and doesn't move the rods correctly. You'll probably need to crawl under and watch with a flashlight while someone shifts the lever, maybe try to clean up the rods, lube the pivot points on the linkage.
    The moving the Jeep forward or backward thing to try to engage 4wd is good advice... keep in mind once you do get it in, you may have trouble getting it back out!! :D The same advice applies again. I often find I need to back up 5 feet or forward a few feet to disengage 4wd... sometimes it takes multiple attempts, so don't panic (like I did the first time it happened to me!! :D )
    Hang in there, there's alot to grasp... we'll help with any questions you have :beer:
     
  17. Mar 23, 2006
    ZipTy

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    Welcome! Where did you live at in Southern Indiana? I'm currently in Evansville.
     
  18. Mar 23, 2006
    haselbw

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    Thanks guys, ill try some of that stuff tonight.

    I lived in Newburgh for a while, and my Mom still lives there. Sister is in Evansville. Small world!
     
  19. Mar 23, 2006
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Heh, my wife is from Ft. Branch, her old college room mate lives in Newburgh now. Small world indeed. :)

    Welcome from KS!
     
  20. Mar 23, 2006
    Phalanxx

    Phalanxx Jeep Newbie

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    welcome!
    i have a 68 with the v6. i ran mine from brunswick maine to boston (2 hours) at 85 MPH. safe? uuh, not really...but, its a descent rig so i knew mechanically i was ok. in a strait line was fine, but i prayed the whole time no one cut me off and made me swerve. the only time i slowed down was for the toll boothes and when it got alittle warm. got ALOT of looks too..mostly people waving, some astonished it would go that fast, some prolly wanting to commit me to a nut house for actually GOING that fast..lol
    so, your jeep will go as fast as you have nads to push it. make sure you have belts though.
    recommended speed for those with no mental instability (lol), prolly 60-65 with the v-6 and 3.73's. itll run all day at that.
    congrats on your new $6 million project. nice looking starter jeep.
     
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