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making a dummy shaft for Tcase

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by termin8ed, Feb 21, 2006.

  1. Feb 21, 2006
    termin8ed

    termin8ed I didn't do it Staff Member

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    Thought the transfercase I was rebuilding was the 1 1/8" shaft. Found out when the needle bearings fell all over its the larger 1 1/4" shaft:D
    Thinking about replacing the bearings and shaft since I have no idea when or if they were ever replaced.
    For a dummy shaft, I've been reading that it needs to be smaller to fit out the back hole. Is it possible to machine down the old shaft or is it some super hard tool steel? Don't want to find out it can't be done and ruin a good spare shaft;)
     
  2. Feb 21, 2006
    xtrm4xjp

    xtrm4xjp Member

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    I would jsut use a peice of wood the size you need. No sense in spending the time to ruin a good peice (not to mention the tool bit and time it will take).
     
  3. Feb 21, 2006
    termin8ed

    termin8ed I didn't do it Staff Member

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    Well, Just figured it would be easier to do the metal one since I have access to a metal lathe. How "exact" does the wooden one need to be to keep the bearings in?
     
  4. Feb 21, 2006
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    you can use wheel bearing grease to load and hold the needles and spacers in place.
    the last one, #48, you'll have to push in from the end.
    then push the shaft thru the gear outside of the transfer case to seat everything and make sure everything is lined up okay
    remove the shaft (carefully) then install the gear and thrust washers
    use heavy grease to hold the thrust washers in place
    push the shaft thru carefully, watching from the other end to make sure nothing falls/drops down; you can push the shaft almost all the way with your hand, till the last 1/2" or so
    rotate shaft for lock plate slot alignment, tap the rest of the way and your good to go
    easy, right ?
     
  5. Feb 21, 2006
    nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

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    What Jpflat2a said but I'd recommend using petroleum jelly (vaseline) instead of grease. The grease doesn't always melt away and mix with the gear oil very well and can cause oil starvation as the grease can plug oiling holes. The Vaseline will immediately melt away and mix with the oil allowing oil to flow freely to the bearings and through the oiling passages but stays long enough to allow ample lubrication until the oil can reach everything. I've seen the remnants of grease and partially blocked holes with grease still in them years after people have rebuilt tranny's and transfer cases when they brought them in for new synchro's, seals, etc. I've also seen first hand the oil starvation caused by this. I too used to use grease until I burned up my personal transfer case because of this.
    Another option for a dummy shaft is a piece of aluminum turned to the right diameter. Easy to machine so it doesn't tear up tooling like a heat treated intermediate shaft. Nickmil.
     
  6. Feb 21, 2006
    termin8ed

    termin8ed I didn't do it Staff Member

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    Ok, THAT is pretty much what I was looking for. Figured it was heat treated and was going to be a pain to machine. I'll give it a shot first with the vasaline and if it gives me problems I'll figure something else out.
     
  7. Feb 21, 2006
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Brian I have an aluminum one that I made that is 2.800 long by 1.240 diameter. I actually have a whole set of tools I built for the transfercase and the t14.
     
  8. Feb 22, 2006
    michigan_pinstripes

    michigan_pinstripes I'm not lost, I'm wandering

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    I've had good results with Vaseline hand-pack on T-90 lower counter assembly installs. I also agree with the disolving properties Nick mentioned.
     
  9. Feb 22, 2006
    66cj5

    66cj5 Jeep with no name

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    didn't need the tool when I rebuilt the spare case last year. used just enough grease to hold the needles in place.
     
  10. Feb 22, 2006
    jhuey

    jhuey Michigan Jeeper!

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    I use Lubriplate grease for assembly, also to help hold needles in I used electrical conduit for a dummy shaft, It is cheap, easy to cut for custom lengths. It works for me.
     
  11. Feb 23, 2006
    uglyjeep

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    Hey, before you waste time turning a part out on the lathe, (not that it isn't fun!), head to the hardware store and pick up a couple copper slip-over unions for joining sections of 1" copper water pipe, solder them together and they are the perfect OD for a transfer case dummy shaft with the 1 1/4" intermediate shaft! Simple, quick, and it wont scratch your needle bearings like steel ones can.

    Daniel

    PS I used to rebuild transmissions on a regular basis, and as some of you mentioned, vaseline works the best for the assembly of the roller bearings.

    A funny side note...guys at a transmission shop I know of in town, used to tell the story of how they'd always send the new guys to the stores to load up on vaseline, and let them get red faced as the people behind the checkout counter wondered what these kids were up to buying so much vaseline in the middle of the day!
     
  12. Feb 24, 2006
    termin8ed

    termin8ed I didn't do it Staff Member

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    8)cool tip! I like that. I'll have to keep that in mind next time I make a trip to the hardware.
     
  13. Feb 24, 2006
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    TIme, it took me all of 2 minutes. One other thing if a steel shaft scratches your new needle bearings you better throw them in the garbage and find better ones. No steel you can readily turn on the lathe should ever scratch any type of bearing.;)
    Use what ya got, if you have a lathe and a piece of aluminum it shouldn't take more than 2-4 minmutes to make a dummy shaft.
     
  14. Feb 24, 2006
    termin8ed

    termin8ed I didn't do it Staff Member

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    No aluminum Mike:cry:
    Steel suppliers I know of around here. Its the aluminum and brass guys I've got to find...
     
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