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Headlight delay?

Discussion in 'Intermediate CJ-5/6/7/8' started by 73cj5, Feb 8, 2006.

  1. Feb 8, 2006
    73cj5

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    Sometimes when it is cold outside my headlights take a second to turn on, or sometimes they won't turn on until i blip the throttle. Has anyone seen somthing like this before. The only thing that might be wrong with the electical system is the headlights dim a little at idle but become brighter when i rev the engine.
     
  2. Feb 9, 2006
    AeroE

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    The battery is cold and has high internal resistance and is also probably on its last legs, and the voltage regulator ain't regulatin'.

    There is an outside chance that someone installed a generator, I suppose - generator output is sensitive to rpm, hence alternators came along to replace them.
     
  3. Feb 9, 2006
    73cj5

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    Is there a relay in the headlight circuit?
     
  4. Feb 9, 2006
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    Not stock, I don't think. Up until '74 the electrical systems on Jeeps were still pretty primitive. In addition to the aforementioned items, I think I'd take a look at the headlight switch, and maybe replace it. They're not expensive, and a lot can go bad/get worn in 30+ years.
     
  5. Feb 10, 2006
    73cj5

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    I'll try that, having the headlights refuse to turn on would no be fun.
     
  6. Feb 10, 2006
    timgr

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    Old vehicles seem to have a lot of problems with bad grounds. This goes along with rust and corrosion especially. I'd expect that the headlights are grounded through the body and back to the battery through the lead from the fender to the negative battery cable. If this path has a higher resistance than normal, you would see headlight brightness that depends more than usual on the engine speed.

    On my '73, I had aftermarket headlights, and I installed a relay between the headlight switch and the lights. As I recall, there was no relay on the headlights from the factory.

    I would also check that all the connections are solid and the grounds good in the regulator-alternator charging circuit.

    Another possibility - does the '73 use the same thermal cutout in the light switch that the earlier Jeeps use? I thought I read here that part of the circuit is protected by a thermal breaker in the light switch on earlier Jeeps. The separate fuse box didn't happen until 74 or 75 - IIRC the '73 has just a few inline fuses, like the earlier Jeeps. Perhaps the switch could be getting flakey?
     
  7. Feb 10, 2006
    68 CJ

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    Yup, start with the grounds and also the relay contacts. I figure your pushing enough volts when you rev, I suspect the relay contacts. Run a wire from the ground side of the lights to the battery ground. If it is a ground problem, everything will work right. If your losing volts due to a broken wire(near open condition) you may be going past it also when voltage is applied. Get the headlights on, then move a few wires around, if you find the open or possible short, your lights will go dim or out. Wiring, oh what fun...
     
  8. Feb 10, 2006
    sparky

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    MOP's thermal cutout was strictly a worn out ignition switch that didn't make the proper contact for the accessories until it warmed up. ;)
     
  9. Feb 10, 2006
    w3srl

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    Um, I forgot that the stock headlight switch also had a thermal breaker attached to the back of it, and those tend to wig out after they've been in service for a while. I'm still betting on the headlight switch itself though, and the likelihood that "blipping" the throttle bumps the charge amperage enough to overcome the worn/dirty contacts in the switch. If the wiring harness is still intact, the headlight switch and the brakelight switch are the two weak links in the original lighting circuit IMHO.
     
  10. Feb 11, 2006
    73cj5

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    Thanks for your help guys i will check it out this weekend.
     
  11. Feb 11, 2006
    73cj5

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    I turned out that the dimmer switch connections were rusty. thanks for your help.
     
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