232 power steering

i did not see any passenger side ps pumps, but that is not to say that they do not exist. Looks like i need the timing cover, so i'll probably run back down there tomorrow morning. There were at least two dozen AMC cars in his yard, I will make it a point to look for you.
mike

 

Hey Thanks, It would be good to find out what else may work.

 

Cam, the PS pump on my 72 Hornet with a 232 is on the passenger side.

Lowder, did you get my PM? If you're going back I really need a couple of things.

 

sandhill mike. What do you need and i'll take a look tomorrow.
mike

 

for a 72 Hornet 2 door I need a drivers side tail light lense, a wiper switch knob (or whole switch) and a drivers side seat belt with the retractor. I'll be happy to send $$ for parts and shipping. Thanks

 

i'll see what he has tomorrow and negotiate a price. Sorry i didn't answer your pm any sooner. Let you know via this thread tomorrow evening.This guy was super nice and very well informed. I don't know where you are located, but this guy is in Archdale NC, and if you're an AMC guy, I reccomend making the road trip if its at all feasible. I used to be into muscle cars before jeeps took over, and i saw some things yesterday that i never knew AMC produced. I'm talking Factory hood scoops on gremlins and a Four Door SST Rebel. Real cool stuff! Anyway, I got his business card and if any of you are interested, let me know and i will e mail it to you.
mike

 

I need help! Not doing enough research has bit me in the **s.
Let me start from the beginning:
My cj has a 232 / T-14 combo that i thought was basicly unmolested,Wrong!. After purchasing what amounts to the whole front of a 232from a 76 gremlin, I don't have the motor i thought i did and i am missing a lot of holes in the block of the cj that were in the gremlins motor. At a glance, they looked close enough to be a match, but no such luck.
The casting number on my block is 608A17, if everything that i have read is correct, the letter "A" would make it a 258, not a 232. Under all the grease is a tag rivited to the block that reads "Motors Inc", so at some point i think a replacement short block was installed. Over the last couple of days i have mocked things up a couple diferent ways, I now have with a way to use everything but the water pump pulley.
This is the part that is confusing:
A 76 gremlin donated its Timing cover,Water pump,Harmonic balancer and attached pulley, P.S pump and brackets, A.C comp. bracket, alt. bracket, Idler pulley,And a single barrel intake.
After using some of this stuff to get what i need, the pulley on the water pump and the one on the crank do not line up. It simply makes no sense unless my cj motor is cast diferent in the area of the water pump.
The water pump pulley sit exactly 1/2 a groove more towards the front of the vehicle. I even bought a new water pump to no avail, shaft length of the new to old pump is the same. Any ideas?
mike

 

Yes, "A" indicates that it's a 258 and the build date is 8/17/73. I presume that your VIN says you have a 232.

Are you using a pump for a '73 or a '76? According to napaonline.com they are different.

If you can supply a little more detail or pictures about what's not lining up, or a few measurements, I can compare them with my truck and get back to you (in daylight).

hth!

 

the new pump i bought was for a 76. I can not use the original pump, on a 76 there are two threaded bosses cast into it for the P.S pump to bolt to. these bosses do not exist on the cj's pump. I will try to get some photos posted this week, the best i can desrcibe it is that the inner crankshaft pulley and the P.S pump line up, the outer crankshaft pulley and the alt. line up, but the water pump pulley{two groove} sits about 1/4" too far forward to line up with the other acc. I think if i can manage to find a "deeper" two groove pulley i still can make this work.
mike

 

Did you get the pulley from the Gremlin?

I can measure the offset on my WP pulley if you like (only approximately without removing it).

 

thats the strange thing about this whole project. i am basicly transplanting the front of one amc 6 to another. Everything from the pulleys to the belts for mock up purposes. It almost has to be a difference in block castings. I would appreciate the offset measurement of your pulley, thanks for your input and advice.
mike

 

From the front outer mounting surface of the pulley to the front edge of the forward V (at the belt edge) is 1.375". There's a little under 1/4" of space between the back of the forward V and the front or the rear V. There's also a 3/8" spacer between the pulley and the fan, but that's probably not relevant.

 

Still don't have this project done yet! I just cannot figure out how i can take a Harmonic balancer, timing cover, waterpump and pulley, belts, power steering pump and brackets, and alt. brackets from one AMC six cylinder and install on another and have the water pump pulley sit half a groove too far towards the radiator. Somebody please help. I'm ready to pull my hair out!!
mike

 

Anyone have a scamatic of a 72 steering column? I have come to the point in this project where i am ready to refurbish some steering column parts and i need to remove the lower bushing for replacement.
mike

 

While I don't have a water pump sitting on the bench, I have a question. Is there any way that you can reposition the pulley flange on the water pump farther out on the shaft? I had to do that on a Ford 534 truck engine one time to make the replacement water pump work. It was a tight press fit on the shaft. I am in the house and not in the shop so I don't have one in front of me to see if it possibly could be done. Or maybe a spacer behind the pulley? That may cause fan issues that need to be rectified too.

 

cam,
thats exactly what i ended up doing. Dad had a bearing press in the corner of his shop, i just pressed the mounting flange further down the pump shaft until my pulleys lined up. Took a few tries to get it right, but it seemed to solve my problem. The only down side was that when everything lined up, the blades on my fan made contact with the crank pulley. A few washers seemed to fix it though. Got some before and after pics, will try to get those up this week.
mike