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steering box NG, rebuild or upgrade? 61 cj5

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by 32Tudor, Dec 10, 2005.

  1. Dec 10, 2005
    32Tudor

    32Tudor New Member

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    My steering box had some play in it, so I adjusted the play out, but it binds when turned in either direction. I guess that means it needs a sector shaft and bushings. My question is... Do I;
    1. replace with a stock box
    2. rebuild my existing box
    3. upgrade it with some stronger setup

    Please feel free to advise me on where the best place to get whatever your suggestions are.

    I am interested in bolt on parts for this and would prefer not to go with power steering. I have a 134 F head, a Rancho 2" suspension lift and a 6 1/2' plow hanging on the front end. I would like some better mechanical advantage on the front wheels with all that weight up front.

    Thanks.
     
  2. Dec 10, 2005
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    The only bolt on stuff I know of is rebuilding the Ross. Changing to Saginaw would require fabricating, finding parts etc. A good Ross system works good at best, but I'll not argue the fact about Saginaw being better.
     
  3. Dec 10, 2005
    Hippo393

    Hippo393 Jeepless

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    Just curious, what's it binding on?
     
  4. Dec 10, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    If you have the free play adjustment too tight on the Ross box, it will bind at any other position than dead-center. If the binding is not too severe, sometimes the box will still function, but it almost certainly will not re-center itself when coming out of a turn.

    Rebuilding the Ross box involves replacing the bronze bushings that the sector shaft rides in, and also the ball-bearings that the worm shaft rides in. Evaluate the sector shaft itself, as well as the worm shaft while you are in there and replace whatever looks to have worn spots. You will know them when you see them!

    As others have said, the Ross setup is just "ok" IMHO when it all is set up and working correctly. I'm sure that hauling a plow around with it is an arm-building experience! If you can do basic welding/fabricating kills, the manual Saginaw setup is well worth the investment, an dit will be much more stable and reliable in the long run. Many folks here have done the conversion, lotsa good help to be had for the asking! ;)
     
  5. Dec 11, 2005
    32Tudor

    32Tudor New Member

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    Thanks for the good information. I probably do have the adjustment too tight, but I was trying to take some of the slack out of the steering. I am sure it is worn.

    The binding is within the box on each extreme turn, and only started when I snugged up the adjustment, so that is obvious.

    I read a little about the Saginaw replacement, but I though it was a power box? What donot cars would I be looking for to get a manual Saginaw box?

    I also haven't heard people talking about how many turns lock to lock.

    I am a familiar story. As far as skills, I am pretty sure I could do the conversion, (fabricating, welding etc.), it is time that seems to be my biggest challenge. My 32 Ford street rod project and my 65 Chevelle 2-dr Wagon, which I plan to drive on the Hot Rod Power Tour ride this coming June are both taking a back seat to this Jeep. I have a replacement T90 under construction, but the rest of it is ready to go.

    Thanks again.
     
  6. Dec 11, 2005
    timgr

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    Not an expert on the Ross steering, but some here have suggested a later V6 Ross box as an upgrade for the early boxes. Success there would likely depend on finding a Ross box in good condition from within a few years of a 71 V6 CJ (the last year of production for the Ross setup).

    The obvious source for a manual Saginaw box is from a '72 or later CJ with manual steering. With Saginaw or Ross, you'll likely still have to rebuild it, or at least use new seals and adjust it.

    hth!
     
  7. Dec 11, 2005
    zila

    zila I throw poop

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    I just went through this on my 67 CJ. The original Ross box was hammered.. I was going to do a saginaw conversion, but figured rebuilding the Ross would be cheaper.. I was wrong.. I sent the box out to a place in californee, and had them rebuild it.. Parts are very hard to find.. Then I found out that the pitman arm was junk.. I had a jard time finding another. In retrospect it wouldn't have been any more expensive doing the saginaw thing.. And now I read in JP mag where someone [Advance Adapters?] makes a conversion kit for the saginaw deal.. If it were me I buy the kit and convert.

    I have since sold my 67 and have a 75 w/power steering. I'l never have another manual again.
     
  8. Dec 11, 2005
    66cj5

    66cj5 Jeep with no name

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  9. Dec 11, 2005
    timgr

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    I recall reading that Herm's kit will not work with the F134. Just check before you buy.
     
  10. Dec 12, 2005
    32Tudor

    32Tudor New Member

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    Very good info. Thanks to all. I will lossen up my current box to try to get through the winter, then plan to do a conversion to P/S Saginaw before next year.
     
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