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Which V6 headers?

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by lynn, Jun 5, 2003.

  1. Jun 5, 2003
    ljspop

    ljspop Lurking Bronco Dude

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    here's the pic:

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  2. Jun 5, 2003
    H8PAVMNT

    H8PAVMNT Rub his head for luck

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    Oh ya, guess I got in a hurry.

    Thanks for the backup Bob.
     
  3. Jun 5, 2003
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Thanks guys!!

    Yep, they look like block huggers, sounds like substantial flanges(3/8"). That would put me in the same position as 231/225 cast manifolds, all new exhaust from there back. But hey, at $39.99, it's more attractive :)
    I'd have no use for the manifold, I'm not doing a 4 bbl.

    I have a VMX in to PartsMike and an email in to Bob Supplee, see what they can do on the AA fenderwell prices.
     
  4. Jun 5, 2003
    ljspop

    ljspop Lurking Bronco Dude

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    it's already up to $102.51
     
  5. Jun 5, 2003
    vanguard

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    Its the intake. Those really seem to go for a lot of $$$. Anyways, buick v6 headers seem to come up with regular frequency. eBay can be a good bargain if you know what to look for.
     
  6. Jun 5, 2003
    nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

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    There is another way to make the paint hold up on headers. First, glass bead or sand blast them to give a little texture for the paint to grab onto. Next, buy the $5-$7 a can or whatever it costs made for doing exhaust manifolds and headers. This step is very important. BEFORE you mount them, hang them up with some wire and go over them with a propane torch to lightly preheat the headers and THEN paint them. Let them cure, then go over them with the torch again to set the paint up. It's not really paint but a kind of coating and comes in different colors. Don't get too close to the paint so you burn the paint but enough to heat it up and let the paint set up. We did this years ago on the headers on my Dad's '72 GMC 3/4 4x4 and they still look decent. I think it's VHT that makes the paint but can't remember for sure. I did see it at the local parts house a couple of weeks ago so I know it's still available. Good luck. Nickmil. :D
     
  7. Jun 5, 2003
    Chris Insull

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    Been running the AA 225 headsers since 1998 when I did my P/S conversion. Excellent quality, thick STRAIGHT flanges, no warping, no exhaust leaks. The only thing I would do different is have them Jet-Hot coated, and may still do it. Money well spent, IMHO. :)
     
  8. Jun 5, 2003
    Pa-CJ5

    Pa-CJ5 Sponsor

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    The local powder coating shop said that they can spray a coating that will withstand 1500 degree temps. Does anyone know if this would hold up on headers?

    Has anyone used the Hedman mufflers that 4WD Hardware sells?
     
  9. Jun 6, 2003
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    My Hedmans (from Summit) have been on my Jeep since January of 1993 and the flanges have never warped and the headers have never leaked but they were never taken off until recently to rebuild my motor and the metal is still in good enough shape that I'm thinking about putting the POR coating on them when I put them back on. The only reason header flanges usually warp is overtightening them (not heat) to account for leaks in the gaskets.
    If you put good gaskets on them and put header lock bolts so you don't overtighten them from the bolts loosening you probably won't warp the flanges.
     
  10. Jun 6, 2003
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    BobSupplee said he'll get back to me over the weekend regarding his price on the AA headers. Didn't hear from PartsMike.

    I emailed Eric at Novak, he said he has some available, but they only work with conversion motor mounts. There is a 1" interference with factory mounts, and the manufacturer has been non responsive regarding request for change. He said he's working on a deal for some high-quality stainless ones.
    I'm not sure if these are the block huggers someone discussed with him some time ago.
    I'll be in touch with Eric later today, I'll get it clarified.

    BTW, looking at my headers last night, they are in worse shape than I suspected.
     
  11. Jun 9, 2003
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    I got a good price from PartsMike, but an even better price from Bob Supplee. I'm going to order the AA chromed ones from Bob this morning.

    If anyone else is looking for a set of these PartsMike has a set on the shelf for a bit less than catalog list price.

    BTW, if I haven't posted this already, the stainless headers Eric is working on are the block hugger style, designrd to accomodate single 2.5" exhaust but will work for duals.
    The suppliers are on board, he still needs to complete the solid modelling. He's thinking late fall for the first set (to go on his '69).
    He said he might post a copy of the solid model here on our board for our review!
    If you're interested in these, let him know.
     
  12. Jun 9, 2003
    James P. Enderwies

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    Lynn: Just how does one get in contact with Bob Supplee? Interested in AA Headers also. :) :beer: Jim
     
  13. Jun 9, 2003
    4S50

    4S50 I’m back!

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    Lynn, sorry I did not reply sooner, but I overlooked this post. I have experience with the AA headers and the Hedman headers and prefer the Hedman. The Hedman's cost less, are good quality and the collectors are much shorter. This allows more room for a muffler and also makes it easier to keep the pipes and muffler tucked up close to the body. Patrick and I had talked about this, maybe on the old forum, and his experience was the same.
     
  14. Jun 10, 2003
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Greg, thanks for that input.

    I got a voicemail from Bob last night, some problem with the availability of the chrome headers. ? Not sure what is up, my wife gave me the message :rofl:

    I need to talk to him, maybe I'll just go with the Hedmans and save a hunderd bucs or so. Or maybe I'll get the Hedman's, jet-coated. :)
    I'll decide that once I find out what the problem is with my order.
    (Why does it seem like anytime anyone deals with AA there's some sort of problem?? :evil: )

    Jim, Bob's contact info:
    (405) 799-8977
    He's in Moore, Oklahoma.
    email: supplee@ionet.net

    Note that Bob is going on vacation, tomorrow through the 16th.
     
  15. Jun 10, 2003
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    [rant/on]
    Getting frustrated here :evil:
    Bob Supplee told me that AA would take a few weeks, they didn't have any chromed. So I cancelled the order. Called Summit, told them I wanted a plain old set of Hedmans. Cheap. $99. I'll paint them, so what if they rust later. The last ones (Blackjacks) lasted 10 years. Anyway, I figured that's $100+ that will remain in the Jeep account.
    So I call Summit.
    The guy tells me that Hedman doesn't make a header for that application.
    :evil:
    Doesn't incompetence just piss you off? :evil:
    So I got the tech line phone # for Hedman, called there, had to leave a voicemail :evil:

    ...waiting... ... ...

    [rant /off]

    EDIT: Ordered Hedman p/n 69420, $119 from Summit Racing. Should be on my porch Friday. Now to call the paint dept here at work and find out what kind of high-temp paint we use on the Bradleys... ;)
     
  16. Jun 10, 2003
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Lynn, if you can't find anything at work try some of the manifold paint that POR sells.
    These are the specs on there website:
    FACTORY MANIFOLD GRAY™ is a high temp gray paint capable of withstanding extreme temperatures up to 1400° F. This high temp paint will maintain a durable iron gray color and won't burn off. Can be used on all cars, domestic or foreign, and it meets or exceeds properties and requirements of MIL-C-13370.

    Can be brushed or sprayed.

    APPLICATIONS:
    Manifolds
    Headers
    Exhaust pipes
    Stoves

    *NOTE: For best results sandblasting before painting is recommended.

    A pint of this stuff is $26 Lynn that is alot cheaper than having them Jet coated especially with shipping both directions and the time element involved.

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  17. Jun 10, 2003
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Thanks Mike. That's exactly my (revised ;) ) plan, if I can't find something good at work I'm going to sandblast and use the POR Manifold gray.
     
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    James P. Enderwies

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    Lynn: Don't you just love it! If you check out Summit's on line cataloge, they list Headman's header for that application with that part no.! Guess they've never read their own cataloge! :twisted: Jim
     
  19. Jun 11, 2003
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Yeah Jim, I guess it's tough toget good help these days. :rofl:

    On a brighter note, I just spoke to our paint engineer. He said we use an aluminum hi-temp (~1600F) paint on the Bradley or M88 exhaust. He told me to go get a pass from the dept manager when my headers arrive, and bring them in. The guys in the paint dept will blast them, paint them and bake them. I was not successful in having him deliver them to my house and bolt them on, but I tried :D
     
  20. Jun 11, 2003
    H8PAVMNT

    H8PAVMNT Rub his head for luck

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    See, it is true. You can't get good help. I'll have my set fed-ex'd to your office for the same treatment. Thanks Lynn. :D
    :coffee:
     
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