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T-90/ T-14 interchangeability?

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Hippo393, Nov 4, 2005.

  1. Nov 4, 2005
    Hippo393

    Hippo393 Jeepless

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    Having issues on the '71-ish w/ :v6: buildup...

    Problem: Painted up & gave new seals, gaskets to a T-90, W/ single stick D18. Come to find that the cast-iron section that holds the parking brake lever has a broken tranny-mating flange. :mad: Can't use it, grrrr....

    Possible solution: I just happen to have a spare T-14 w/ twin stick D18 with the same input shaft length & spline count. Considering swapping this whole shebang in.

    I've searched for the last hour on this....hopefully that means that there "shouldn't" be any probs. Driveshaft yokes are same-same. Even the bell adaptor plate looks like it interchanges between the two, which I didn't expect. (bonus!)

    Z'is sound ok to do? Or, any tips before I proceed down a potential path of doom? :twisted:
     
  2. Nov 4, 2005
    66cj5

    66cj5 Jeep with no name

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    would swap parts around to fix the broken flange. much easier and cheaper as well.
     
  3. Nov 4, 2005
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    I don't have the specs close at hand, but I believe the T14 to be a touch longer than the T90 which may cause issues with the crossmember location.

    Thought about just swapin the D18's? If the gear sets are the same it's real easy (26 vs 29 input on Tcase).
     
  4. Nov 5, 2005
    Rob C

    Rob C Member

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    Hippo,
    The T86 on my 67 ate itself a couple of years ago and I bought a rebuilt long-shaft T14 from Herm and it fit right up with no problems to the original adapter. IIRC I did not have to move the crossmember back, but did have to drill new holes for the mount.

    Hope this helps.
    Rob
     
  5. Nov 5, 2005
    66cj5

    66cj5 Jeep with no name

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    not much difference 1/2" or less in length. the t14 is a better trans with it's syncro'd 1st and rev (very handy on trail) than the t90. unsure if it has a lower 1st than the t90 or not thou.
     
  6. Nov 8, 2005
    Hippo393

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    Thanks for the tips gang. I'll choose the T14 because I won't have to take it apart; the syncro'ed 1st gear; and the reverse light switch. Yes, the shaft on the T-14 sticks out about 1/6" longer than the T-90. I'm crossing my fingers that it'll bolt up to the V6 w/ the T90 adaptor just fine. :beer:

    But one dang prob....the lever on the x-fer case is pointed the wrong way. :mad: I've had a few levers that have the wrong bend to them. How to hook a parking brake cable up to a wrong-way lever? :?
     
  7. Nov 8, 2005
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    The t14 and and t90 do not share the same bolt pattern for the bellhousing adapter, they are totally different.
     
  8. Nov 8, 2005
    Hippo393

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    Mike not sure what you mean. Both tranny-to-adapter bolt measurements are identical in height/width. :?

    No matter anyhow tho! Holy cow, the x-fer case on the T14 has about 6 teeth broken off. :shock: It's back to the drawing board. I'll likely scavenge the middle iron section of the baddie x-fer case and slap it on the case that's on the T90.
     
  9. Nov 8, 2005
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    They are on the bellhousing but the transmission side is totally different for the t14 compared to the t90, the t14 is almost a square pattern the t90 is not, the t86 is the same as the t14 though. These are the bolt pattern dimensions for the 3 transmissions,
    T-86 bolt pattern 6.00 x 5.75
    T-90 bolt pattern 6.25 x 4.125
    T-14 bolt pattern 6.00 x 5.75
     
  10. Nov 8, 2005
    Hippo393

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    A Hahhh, figured out that I've got a T90 shifter on top of a T86 tranny. That's why I got the same measurements. I simply relied on the tower data. No wonder I was con-fussed!! :oops: Sorry Mike.

    Now please tell me that the T90 tower will werk on this T86.
     
  11. Nov 8, 2005
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    I'm doing this now for a friend, his t86 has a t90 tower on it also, the difference is the shift fork for the front syncro assembly, the t86 fork is much wider than the t90 is. From what I've seen the t86 always used the t90 top just had a different front shift fork.
     
  12. Nov 8, 2005
    Hippo393

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    So do I need to change out a shift fork, or are they purty much interchangeable as is despite the diffos?
     
  13. Nov 8, 2005
    Mcruff

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    Yes make sure the front shift fork matches the syncro assembly your using, T90 or t86.
     
  14. Nov 8, 2005
    Hippo393

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    Great info, thanks Mike.

    I'm guessing a p.o. must've made the front fork switch to make it work...or else the thing wouldn't shift. (right?:oops: )
     
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