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198 timing chain cover?

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by sparky, Oct 12, 2005.

  1. Oct 12, 2005
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Any idea if it's the same as a 225/231?

    I see the timing mark is on the other side, how does that work?

    I have an, uh, issue with my 225 timing cover. Had a bolt for the water pump broken off in it when I removed it. Figured I'd just extract it. Riiiggghhhhtttt. The extractor got off center and ate up the aluminum of course. :rofl:

    Everything but the timing marks seem to look the same at first glance.
     
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    captain cj

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    Sparky ,
    m38willys has a complete 198 motor He has offered me parts from it. I dont need a timing cover give him a try. By thye way the timing gears are the same for the 198 and 225. Hope this helps.
    Steve
     
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    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    I've got a 198 timing cover at my disposal, other side of the drive from the 225 that needs it. ;)

    I know the gears are the same. I think it's the same excepting the timing marks. Just wanted to know for sure before I went to alot of effort.
     
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    MOP

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    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    I see one bolt out of place. Dangit.

    Make that two. :(
     
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    MOP

    MOP Active Member

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    You using your fancy picture overlay software?
     
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    lafester

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    i hate those water pump bolts. they just snap off no problem.

    had to get 3 of 'em out of my "new" engine before install.
    replaced with stainless so hopefully no problem next time...

    i have a timing cover sitting in the garage but i don't know if it's any better then the one you have. i would try sealing it up good without the bolt and see if it leaks before taking the cover off. i know my last engine was missing at least one bolt w/ no leaks.

    if you want mine it's yours for shipping.

    chris
     
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    lafester

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    [​IMG]

    it's pretty ugly, but i think there's some paint under there :shock:
    i am pretty sure there is at least one broken bolt, but maybe there is enough sticking out to get at it. i will check for you if you want.

    chris
     
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    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Worth a shot to check, if it's any better I'll take it.

    I don't think it was leaking before and I know I didn't snap the bolt off, I commented to MOP when I pulled that one out that it was broken.

    I'm just picky, I know I could prolly get away with having this one broken, just bugs me.
     
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    Patrick

    Patrick Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Yup, those w/p bolts are prone to breaking, due to corrosion.....
    I had two break off on mine when I did the first water pump and timing chain.. Luckily, I was able to drill and extract them... When you put it back together, put some RTV on the threads.....I've put two water pumps on mine since then, and have had no problems... FWIW
     
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    lafester

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    well, you probably won't like this one then :(

    there is one bolt broken below the edge:

    [​IMG]

    and one hole that's been drilled pretty bad:

    [​IMG]

    chris
     
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    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Heh, I think I'll take my chances with mine. I might try to see if I can get the rest of the bolt out and see what I can do from there. I can prolly salvage it. But if there's an easier way out I'll take it. ;)
     
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    Patrick

    Patrick Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Just put the 198 in Linus..... <ducking>
     
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    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    :shock: Why did I get Linus again?

    Guess I do have a new timing chain set that'll fit the 198...
     
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    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Sparky, I can get the broken bolt out and probably fix the hole in your old cover, send it and consider it a present.
     
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    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    I have a a 198 cover and no they won't fit the 225, the cover is missing the outer 2 ears and bolts on the block water passages.
     
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    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Yeah, the two I mentioned above. Dangit.
     
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