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correct seats for 1956 CJ5

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Rondog, Aug 25, 2005.

  1. Aug 25, 2005
    Rondog

    Rondog just hangin' out

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    Hi all, I'm a newbie here. I'm restoring a '56 CJ5, and would like to know if the seats I just scored are the correct ones for a '56. I just bought useable driver and passenger seats, and a second driver frame for parts, paid $300 for all three. They are a heavy steel tubular frame, with springs attached to the frame. They're buckets, but all one-piece...they don't attach to a separate frame like the Bestop buckets. They will certainly bolt right in, but I just want to know if they're the "right" seats for my '56, or if they're later models. Thanks!

    I hope the photos come through, I'm still trying to figure this out.
     
  2. Aug 25, 2005
    Boyink

    Boyink Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Hi Ron - Welcome from W. MI.

    Here's what my '64 had in it, which look to be the same as what you've got there:

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    These were one-pc, coil-sprung, etc.
     
  3. Aug 25, 2005
    Rondog

    Rondog just hangin' out

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    Thanks Mike, but the mounting brackets on your drivers seat are different, and is that an adjuster rod I see? Mine don't adjust, except for unbolting them and moving to different holes on the brackets.
     
  4. Aug 25, 2005
    Boyink

    Boyink Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Yep - but keep in mind these were in a '64. AFAIK they kept the seats the same and just added some adjuster rails, changed the mounts.
     
  5. Aug 25, 2005
    Howard Eisenhauer

    Howard Eisenhauer Administrator Staff Member

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    They look like the right ones to me, at least they're the same thing the FSM shows for pre-64, see my web page for photos of the later mounts compared to the earlier style. The later driver's seat was adjustable on the three holes seen on the flats. Not sure about Mike's adjuster rod, doesn't show up in any factory literature I've seen. Maybe a a PO mod?

    H.
     
  6. Aug 25, 2005
    Boyink

    Boyink Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Huh...if not original, I'll bet its just swapped in from a later Jeep seat. Would have been easy enough....
     
  7. Aug 25, 2005
    Rondog

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    Thank you, Mike and Howard, for your replies! I was really hoping that I'd scored the correct ones. I've heard those are pretty hard to find, especially in useable/restorable condition, I just hope I didn't pay too much...but I'm happy I got them. I paid $125 each for the users, and $50 for the nasty one, but I figured I'd better get them while I had the chance and the bucks. I've seen repros of several early seat frames, but not these. Beachwood has cover kits for them.

    Rich at Beachwood told me the '55 and '56 CJ5's had the same seat frames as the CJ3B and the M38A1, and they used cushions that slipped on and snapped into place, but I don't have any reference source to check it out. I think I'll like these better anyway, since I can have a little adjustment to move them back, so I can get my fata$$ in easier.

    Anybody else have an opinion on these seats and what vintage they are? Are there any other sources for seat cover kits?

    Many thanks!
     
  8. Aug 25, 2005
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    I have my doubts about sharing the seats with the M38A1, I have a '55 owners manual that shows seats like yours (& mine), as does the FSM, as does the parts manual. The only difference I can see being the upholstery doesn't have the rib stitching, just smooth material. In point of fact, if you look though the '55 ads on my site they make mention of "new more comfortable seats". The '5" seats quite definately don't have snap on anything as do the military covers & frames (which are not shown in the FSM).

    You do have an FSM, Right?

    I recall reading sonewheres (CJ3B site maybe?) that the 3Bs went to the "5" style seats in, IIRC, the late 50s sometime. My '59 parts manual (God, I love that book!) has various pictures of 3Bs showing both types of seats.

    I'd say you're safe in assuming you got the real deal. As for cost if you got them local you did well, I paid $75 for the ones shown on my site & I've seen them go for less but shipping those things is $$$ :(.

    For re-upholstering them I haven't seen any kits for these, only the '64 up ones. I'm just gonna have the wife do ours, she did the previous seats in Tonka & they came out very well. Using the old covers for patterns it's hard to go wrong.

    Of course, it helps if you have a sewing machine :).

    Have fun,

    H.


     
  9. Aug 26, 2005
    lafester

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    they are definately not the later model seat frames as the frame and seat are seperate for my '69. i guess the only advantages of the later model are easy to find cover kits and the fold and tumble pass seat. one more would be that you can adjust the seat by unbolting it from the frame and moving it to a new set of holes. i don't see how that version would be adjustable since there is only room for one set of rear frame mounts to the floor.

    i would say you got a decent deal considering i have not seen this type of seat for sale on ebay or elsewhere.

    chris
     
  10. Aug 27, 2005
    Rondog

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    Howard, what's an "FSM"? Factory Service or Sales Manual? No, I don't have one of those. I do have something that has that same interior shot that you posted, but my book doesn't say what year Jeep is in that image. That's one of the reasons I bought these seats, was the fact the right front mounting foot on the two drivers frames is the same as in that image.

    Thanks!

    Ron
     
  11. Aug 27, 2005
    speedbuggy

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    FSM is very very handy! Good investment for these old JEEPs.
     
  12. Aug 27, 2005
    Glenn

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    I believe it's safe to say you got the correct seats, and frames are definitely in good shape. The picture Howard posted is for the "early" CJ5s, i.e. your year. It shows the early speedometer.
     
  13. Aug 27, 2005
    matt koch

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    hey rondog , this guy knows all about jeeps . he is the best jeep guy in colo.
    new & used parts . he can help you with all the vintage jeep parts you need
    if he don't have it he can get . [4x4 off road &used parts ] bob schleppy 970-224-1133
    www.4x4usedparts.com give him a try bob is the best jeep guy i know :beer:
     
  14. Aug 27, 2005
    Rondog

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    Thanks Matt! I'll definitely look the man up! There's also FN Jeep in Colorado Springs, they're a used-parts only place with a large inventory.
     
  15. Aug 27, 2005
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    FSM= Factory service manual, of which reprints are available from many sources for ~$40.00 or so. The reprint is actually of a mid-60's manual, has a few paragraphs in it on the seats, as well as a couple hundred pages of other very useful information :). Far superior to the Haynes manuals that are out there.

    If you want to get serious about "resto" I'd recommend getting a parts manual for reference purposes. Unfortunatly these are not available as a reprint but originals show up on EBay a coupla times a year.

    H.
     
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