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Horrible Vibration

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by tazcj, Aug 1, 2005.

  1. Aug 3, 2005
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Edited posts, pictures were too big.

    I've asked that pictures be no more than 640x480 in the forum so they fit in the forum and on everyone's screen. Please remember we still have several members on dialup service, those pics were slow over my DSL to download.
     
  2. Aug 4, 2005
    tazcj

    tazcj New Member

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    Well, I couldn't find any axle shafts to fit my original 64's offset axle. I searched around, and called several places. No one could help me. I also had a powrlok diff that needed some work, and I couldn't find any parts for it either. I thought it would be easier to use my 74 rear Dana 44 axle. Newer parts, easier to fix. Well, I guess I was wrong with the who transfer case swapping out.

    http://www.4wd.com/catalog/products/large/m20.jpg

    http://www.4wd.com/catalog/products/large/Dana18vintage.jpg

    Here are pics.

    Thanks,
    TAZ
     
  3. Aug 4, 2005
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Taz, thanks for using links this time. It's appreciated.
     
  4. Aug 4, 2005
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Taz you can find axle shafts for the tapered 44 at Krage motorsports.
    http://www.jeepdoc.com/catalog/zproducts.asp?id=240
    Part#: 912625 LH 19 spline
    Part#: 912626 RH 19 spline
    Both are $49.95 each
    The tapered hubs are farther down the page and are $39.95 each
    The powerlock parts are available from Herm the over drive guy and R&P.
    To me it would be easier to fix the rear axle than fix all the other problems!
    I would also look into that dana 18 and see what that rear housing came off of, cause it isn't a stock jeep cj part.
     
  5. Aug 4, 2005
    BlueFlu

    BlueFlu past owner of some ecj5's

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    It's alot of coin to go with a full float kit from Warn for the offset 44, but it would sure be worth it. Then you could have the 30 spline.
    Parts are out there for the offset 44, they come up 4 sale here from time to time as well.
     
  6. Aug 4, 2005
    AKCJ

    AKCJ Active Member

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    Taz, I missed something in one of your earlier posts. You asked about swapping the front output assembly between the 18 and 20 case. Yes you can but you have to take them apart to do it. Basically like rebuilding the case. At least this is the case from swapping between the single stick and twin stick setup. I think Eric at Novak or Herm at Hermtheoverdrive guy could straight this out easily.

    Pictures - I was looking more for pics of the two cases you have. Again, if one of the front output assemblies is much longer than the other something doesn't sound right to me.

    I would think it's easier to change the t-cases instead of changing the rear axles but I think it could be done either way. Just trying to help give you some info so you can decide what's best for you. And to help you though the process.
     
  7. Aug 4, 2005
    tazcj

    tazcj New Member

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    I've found a 69 Dana 44 offset with the same gear ratio that I have for $125. I may just buy it and call it a day. I was hoping for the centered Dana 44 becuase it has 30 splines as opposed to 19 spline inner axles. Thanks for the input.

    TAZ
     
  8. Aug 4, 2005
    181jeep

    181jeep Banned

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    buy it quick.....you're better off with the d18's low range.


    JB
     
  9. Aug 4, 2005
    tazcj

    tazcj New Member

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    What about the weaker 19-spline two piece axles? I'm running 35" super swampers, and I was worried about strength with all the HP that I'm turning.
     
  10. Aug 5, 2005
    Grandpa Jeep

    Grandpa Jeep Member

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    If you can find one, the 70.5 and 71 CJs had the offsett rear end with one piece 30 spline shafts. Alao, as someone else mentioned, you can get the Full floating kit from Warn, that would get you 30 spline, but it's expensive. If you can justify the expense, that would be the best way to go. I have one in my Jeep, and it's great for flat towing.

    Otherwise, I don't see any reason why you couldn't modify the shifters for the D20 to get them to work with your tranny, though there may be something you have to buy from Novak or Advanced adapters (or whoever made you adapter). The D18 front output housing won't work as it's longer, and you would have to get your front driveshaft lengthened as you have already observed. You also get a 2.03 low range with the D20 vs. the 2.46 low range with the D18.
     
  11. Aug 8, 2005
    tazcj

    tazcj New Member

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    Thanks for the info. I believe I'm going to go ahead with the purchase of the 69 offset rear axle. It'll get me up and going; whereas, now I'm just sitting in the garage. :(
     
  12. Dec 18, 2005
    tazcj

    tazcj New Member

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    Well, I purchased the offset D44 rear end. I got it installed, but now I've got issues with the drums being swaged onto the hub. The previous rear end I had used the full floater setup. The hub had a much larger opening. Plus, the other axle used a flange to hold the axle to the hub. This one uses like a key that holds the hub to the axle. Has anyone else seen this? I'm tempted just to take the drums with the hubs swaged on to see if I can get them turned. I'll just use what I have. I'd rather have an upgraded brake system, but I really want to get it on the road.

    TAZ
     
  13. Dec 19, 2005
    66cj5

    66cj5 Jeep with no name

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    unswagging drums is not a big deal. don't know if the drums could be turned with the hub installed. take the time and do it right the 1st time. upgrade the brakes.


    almost forgot: the gear ratios need to match f/r or the transfer case will depart your jeep under protest.
     
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