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Dana 44 Eaton E-locker Was Dana 44 19 Spline

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Howard Eisenhauer, Mar 16, 2017.

  1. Jun 8, 2021
    Howard Eisenhauer

    Howard Eisenhauer Administrator Staff Member

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    Last I heard- yes. :) I'll call & find out :D
     
  2. Jun 8, 2021
    Jw60

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    I think a two speed rear axle switch and hand pressed bracket would work nicely to actuate the heavy object C-Thingie that goes up over your head in limited space whilst prone on your back on a creeper that will want to go that way while your trying to insert the heavy object C-Thingie into the axle this way.
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  3. Jun 8, 2021
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Brilliant! Why didn't I think of that?

    & As luck would have it I just happen to have a two speed rear axle switch and hand pressed bracket!!!
     
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  4. Jun 14, 2021
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    More progress, not as much as I'd like but progress. :)

    Got the pumpkin end of the wiring sorted out, made up a feed-thru fitting.

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    Next weekend I'll finish off the wiring using a two speed rear axle switch and hand pressed bracket- a BIG callout to Jw60 for the idea! :D
     
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  5. Jun 14, 2021
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    New bearings are on (was careful NOT to spill coke on the glove pinky fingie this time) and the the C-Thingie is, after maneuvering it over my head in a limited space whilst prone on my back on a creeper that wanted to go that way while I was trying to insert the heavy object C-Thingie this way, in. I thought I'd be smart this time & block the creeper casters, which under normal circumstances will not roll over a misplaced strand of hair on the floor, with a wedge.

    The wedge slid :steamed:

    Oh well.

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    It went in a lot harder than with the setup bearings but the backlash is the same.

    Do *NOT* ask me about removing the old bearings from the the 19 spline axes, removing the comparatively new bearings from the 10 spline axles & re-installing the relatively new bearings on the 19 spline axles.

    A grinder with a cut-off wheel, torch, BFH, pipes and bearing puller breakage were all involved & that's all I've got to say about that. :shock:

    The axles are in but it was a close thing with the shim setting- there was about 50 thou stickout on the bearing race on the passenger side with the spacer hard up against the spider shaft. When I made the spacer I wondered if I should have made the hole wider but it was actually a bit wider than the stock Dana piece. I suspect the Eaton center shaft/spiders are offset a bit towards the passenger side compared to the Dana.

    Anyhow it was looking bad for a bit- the driver side cup was recessed into the tube at the same time until I found I had 40 thou worth of shims rtv'd to the back side of the retainer that i was using to set the cup driver side cup with.

    Whew :)

    So with no shims on the driver side I ended up with .035" on the passenger side, with everything torqued down I've 2.5 thou slack, which i fully expect will open up a bit more with a few miles on it.

    Yes I know the number don't add up. Go away.

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    Now I mentioned before that things seemed a bit watery when I drained the gear oil & the bearing cups were not in good shape.

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    There was also a lot of brown stuff on the pumpkin flange .

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    I finally got around to cleaning up the diff cover & got a bit of a shock-

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    I can't believe this was due to condensation just sitting in the garage & other than that it's a few hundred miles all on the highway- this if baffling the heck out of me. :confused:

    Cleaned it up & rust painted it a nice bright yellow which should be fully dried by next weekend.

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    Hook up & bleed the brake lines next week & that should be it. :)
     
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  6. Jun 14, 2021
    Fireball

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    This is my creeper. Need it to roll and it's a permanent part of the concrete floor. Need it to stay in place and it's powered by retro rockets.
     
  7. Jun 22, 2021
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Didn't get much done on the weekend. :(

    Cleaned up the axle shafts & re-assembled.

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    And bled the brakes.

    Note- if you spend 40 minutes trying to figure out why the pedal keeps going to the floor but no bubbles are coming out of any of the bleed screws front, back, @ the MC, the proportioning valve or the tee's then the odds are you forgot to put the brake drums back on.


    Do not ask me how I know this :(

    One nasty surprise I found was that the e-locker takes up a lot more room inside the pumpkin than the Dana does, resulting in a *very* close fit the the cover.

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    It does clear, just. I could get a .010" feeelr gauge in the but there's not a lot more than that, good thing I used a gasket this time around.

    The fill plug was running right into it requiring some modifications.

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    Fill plugs to not appear to be precision machined objects, it took a few tries in which fill plugs were sacrificed for the greater good but I finally got one with a tight fit in the cover that cleared the locker.

    Wiring is run from the axle to up under the dash but still not happy with it- gonna require some more of the think'n stuff :( Also had a bit of a bad feeling when I hooked up the juice & rotating one axle shaft did not result in the other turning in the same direction- in fact it turned in the other direction just like an open diff; it took me about 20 minutes to realize that with the design on this unit it won't lock without the drive shaft turning.

    However it should all be working next weekend. :)
     
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  8. Jun 23, 2021
    Fireball

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    I never thought about that, but the pins need to run up the ramps and than can only be done by tuning the ring gear? Interesting.

    I know some people complain about the lash because the pins have to travel back down the ramp and up the other side to lock the axles when changing travel direction. Sounds like it can be tricky when trying to rock back and forth with one wheel in the air.

    I'm still thinking about which lockers I want to put in the '71; Eaton, Ox, or ARB. Leaning towards ARB since it's nice to have onboard air anyway.
     
  9. Jun 23, 2021
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    The ramps are an issue, not sure how a big an issue it is in real life but I'll find out & report back. I don't think a hanging wheel will be an issue, if the locker turns then it will lock.
     
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  10. Jun 27, 2021
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Well it's done :)

    Finished the wiring, stuck the tires back on & verified it works-

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    Ignore the clicky noises- that's got to do with another ongoing projest- Top secret HushHush :ninja:





    Hey- it only took five years :D
     
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