MD Juan Tub Kit 1969 CJ5 4CLY (7/2016)

What did you do with the old tub sides

 

I've held on to everything for two reasons... (1) I want to capture and transfer all the hole and component locations and then (2) offer the entire tub and other original '69 parts for sale to try and recapture some of my costs. I'm a few months from getting to the body; I still want to open up all the drive train subassemblies, replace all these leaking seals, and insure everything is in acceptable working condition before moving to the body.

The sides were repaired by the PO with galvanized sheet and Bondo. I don't really know if he cut away old metal or just covered it. Welding galvanized isn't easy (or healthy). I found some pop rivets so I'm guessing he just layered the galvanized patch over existing metal.

 

I have not seen a close up shot of the spare tire attachment. Mine just had a long bolt with a large mushroom shape head (it didn't come with a spare tire)... How does that securely hold a spare?

 

you need one of these
JEEP CJ or COMMANDO SIDE MOUNT for SPARE TIRE

 

That looks wrong for a CJ. Maybe it's for a Commando?

The factory carrier looks like this -



The mushroom bolt is a snubber that stabilizes the spare. There is a clearance light that goes in the center hole of the carrier. Seems the light is being reproduced now, if you want that. JEEP SIDE SPARE TIRE MARKER LAMP RED 1970 - 1983 CJ5 CJ6 FINALLY HERE! NEW!

My parts book calls for a 977686 but all the retailers show a 982009. Jeep 982009 - Bing - Walck's says the bolt size or pattern or something isn't exactly right for the part they sell. You could call them and ask them what the difference is, if it concerns you. Spare Tire Carrier Generic CJ Models 1945-1971

 

Wirework's CJ is a '69, so Tim's photo is correct for that application. The earlier CJ5 (at least to '65 or'66) used a carrier bracket without the hole for the reflector, and used a wood block instead of the mushroom bolt to steady the spare tire. Does anyone know when the wood block was discontinued?
The carrier that Twin linked to is useful for wider rims (like 8") for the spare to not rub the rear tire.
-Donny

 

Hmm. Not doubting you, but I've never seen one, and I put away a lot of Jeep parts 73-74-75. Maybe it's later? Mounting a big spare on the fender does not seem like a great idea... in addition to the extra weight, it lengthens the lever arm for the weight and is more likely to break out the fender. Even the solid back panel and rear mounted spare would break the body if a big wheel and tire were mounted. I added a piece of angle iron across the fenders of my '73 back in the day, because the body was splitting from the rear panel.

 

Actually, I was referring to running the 8" rims on the vehicle, and still carrying a 5.5" spare on the back corner. When I first put 8" wheels on mine many years ago, the right rear tire rubbed the spare. I used that spaced carrier to correct this. I don't know what the carrier was sourced from, but I had one like Twin linked.
I agree, even a stock spare is too heavy to have on the rear corner in some circumstances, especially if there is much bouncing over rough terrain.
-Donny

 

I had not previously noticed any spare tire bracket bolt holes in my right rear fender... but then again, I didn't know what to look for until now. I can't check until Monday.

I'm not much inclined to take this into rough terrain and I intend to switch back to original wheels & tires, so maybe an original spare mount location would be fine. But a frame mounted spare support method seems more conservative long term. I see there was a factory one offered so I'm going to dig for additional info about that before deciding.

Thanks, all.

 

AFAIK there was no frame-mounted tire carrier available from Jeep in 1969. The Whitco paper-clip spare tire carrier was "Jeep Approved Special Equipment" and could be installed by a dealer and rolled in to the sale price. There was also a Kayline can-and-tire carrier available, but I don't think it was "Jeep Approved" (ie available through Jeep factory parts distribution channel). Both of these bolt to the back of the tub, through the sheet metal.

If you like the side-mounted spare, it should be fine for your described use, as long as you don't hit anything. You can see how the fender steel is bent in the picture of my CJ-6 shown above. Bumping into obstacles - usually rocks or trees on tight trails - seems to be a common problem with this placement. I think placing the spare on the passenger side helps on the street, because drivers usually allow more passing space on that side - but if you hit something at more than a crawl, you'll damage the body and could rip the spare off.

 

Yikes!
Rear bumper mount is sounding better by the moment... 'might have to deviate from authentic 1969 on this one. Thanks.

 

Just for fun, check your Juan tub for the reinforcement for the spare tire carrier on the rear passenger corner. It should be a roughly square plate (with about a 3" center hole) between the outer body and inner fender well. It should not be present on the drivers side. It boxes the rear corner where the tire carrier mounts in stock form.
-Donny

 

I have a Juan tub (about 9yrs old) It does not have the square plate or horizontal hat channel brace for reinforcing the tire mount. It does have the vertical hat channel brace like you would find on the drivers side. I did look for the correct braces and I believe classic enterprises has them but I dont know if I will ever change them.

 

My 55 has a block of wood in place of that mushroom bolt to keep the tire from moving around

All that said I don't have the tire mounted on the side

 

I know the wood block was used at least through June of '64 on my Tux. I'd like to know when it was phased out to the mushroom bolt.
-Donny

 

My replacement tub did not have the reinforcement plate for the spare tire carrier, I had to weld one in.

 

I also looked today. For the standard 1969 spare tire location, my new MD Juan tub (date code 10/2011) doesn't have the kind of internal reinforcement my original tub has. There is a right angle "U" channel across the underside of the rear fender and down the inside of the fender side. But the square plate with the large center hole is not there.

The PO covered all the spare tire bracket mounting holes.

 

I'm looking to do my frame, etc. too. You may find this thread of interest: Anyone Used The Mastercoat Products?. And Mastercoat Products experiences ?. And their web site: Mastercoat® AG111 High Performance Topcoat – MasterSeries Coating. And affordable. I've pretty well made my mind up to use them. But that's just me.

 

Thanks for the Mastercoat tip, I'll also check that out.

 

Your old tub is better then my tub now. And I was just down in Pittsburgh this past weekend. Would have been glad to take it off your hands and my trailer was empty going home. Have fun with that project.