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Starting The Cj Restoration Again

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Jp274, Jun 19, 2016.

  1. Jun 21, 2016
    uncamonkey

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    They are out there and it's surprising how many other sites link to a thread from here. We seem to refer some people to the 3B site when we are talking about hard tops.

    It's all fun.
     
  2. Jun 21, 2016
    Glenn

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    Looking at the pictures I'd say there is a better chance that it was/is a Tux than there is that it is a '55. No battery box cover and the tailgate name area is blank and appears to have holes for the tag light bracket. And of course the tail gate could have been changed, but overall the Jeep to me has the appearance of having all of the original body parts. It also seems to have originally been white.
     
  3. Jun 22, 2016
    Keys5a

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    In answer to your question regarding confusion of your 13832 being a '65 Tux, the Tuxedo Park MKlV became an entirely separate model with a 8322 prefix. Kaiser Jeep also built the regular CJ5 with the 8305 prefix, and produced the two separate models at the same time.
    The "lower" serial numbers that are confusing you are Willys production numbers that were built before the Kaiser takover and their designation with the 8305 prefix.
    I am certain that at least your frame is from a '65 Tux based on the serial number. It is only about 60 units after one of my '65 Tuxes. The small rectangle above the heater cutout was your serial number plate. Also, the white on the firewall (heater area and where the fenders bolted on) is correct for one of only four colors available on the early column-shifted F4 Tuxes. The other colors were light blue, pale green, and red. Once the V6 Tux was introduced (with a cane shift), any available Jeep color was used on Tuxes.
    Your Jeep should have had a column shift, 2-stage springs, and 10" brakes. Very few Tuxes have survived with their column shifter intact, including mine that I swapped out to cane back in 1976. See if your dash has a cutout above where the column mounts.
    -Donny
     
  4. Jun 22, 2016
    Jp274

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    I do see the similarities in the dash to a tux now the steering column cut out is pretty large. I guess at some point they took the column out and put a standard shifter back in on the floor
     
  5. Jun 22, 2016
    Keys5a

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    Yup, Your Jeep is/was a Tuxedo Park MKlV. If you apply for a title, your complete vin is 8322-13832. There are blank "replacement" aluminum tags that can be stamped with the original numbers for your restoration.
    -Donny
     
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  6. Jun 22, 2016
    aallison

    aallison 74 cj6, 76 cj5. Has anyone seen my screwdriver?

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    Did I miss the picts? I like picts.
     
  7. Jun 23, 2016
    Glenn

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    Post #19 has good pictures.
     
  8. Jun 23, 2016
    eti engineer

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    2X on the above. I have visited other sites and I when I do, I feel like a cheating husband...
     
  9. Jun 23, 2016
    aallison

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    YEs it does, did not notice the link.

    What are the plans for the tub? Will you save it or look for another one.

    But it looks like a solid project. I like it. I thought there was a "Tux Id" thread on here someplace at one time....
     
  10. Jun 23, 2016
    1960willyscj5

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    If it was a tux, the tranny has been replaced. There are no signs of the external shifting arms that a column shift would use.
     
  11. Jun 23, 2016
    Glenn

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    I think you can convert the column shift to a regular shift transmission.
     
  12. Jun 23, 2016
    1960willyscj5

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    Yeah by changing the top cover. However the side shift levers, or at least their shafts would still be on the side of the tranny where those two nubbens are sticking out.
     
  13. Jun 23, 2016
    Glenn

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    Yeah, I didn't even realize you were talking about the transmission pictures, I had the column shifter inside the Jeep in mind. :oops:
     
  14. Jun 24, 2016
    Keys5a

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    It was not unusual to swap the whole trans/transfer case assembly out for the much more common cane shift trans. The column shift trans was notoriously bad shifting when it got even a little wear in the many connections between the lever and the shift forks. I remember numerous times having to crawl under my Jeep and tug on the shift rods when it got "hung" between gears or tried to go into two gears at the same time. Thats why I swapped mine out back in 1976.
    JP274's trans/tc were swapped because he also has a twin-stick whereas the Tux always had a single lever T/C.
    His slideshow clearly shows the unique Tux dash, factory cut for the shift linkage to pass above the column, as well as the drilled mounting holes in the center of the tailgate for mounting the Tux license plate bracket/light. For these reasons, and the frame number (I have a Tux 77 units earlier), there is no doubt this Jeep started life as a Tuxedo Park.
    -Donny
     
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  15. Jun 24, 2016
    Jp274

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    Thanks for the info plans as of now and current state of the project are frame is being sand blasted and de rusted lol Trans has been removed to clean up and check it all out so far so good with the Trans and gears all working properly. Gonna paint the frame in the near future also and begin working on the engine and tub. Ideally I believe we are gonna keep this tub and rebuild it
     
  16. Jul 4, 2016
    Jp274

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    Update on frame restoration
     
  17. Jul 4, 2016
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  18. Jul 5, 2016
    Rick Whitson

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    Welcome from Michigan, I notice there is no draw bar, does anyone know if Tuxedo Parks came with a draw bar? I have a V 6 frame under mine, so it has a draw bar on it. The 64 134 frame I replaced had a draw bar on it too, but the P O replaced the 1964 frame with another 64 frame, so I never saw it. Just wondering? Anyway welcome to the forum, and you are going to enjoy doing a Willys, these guys can answer any question for you. Good Luck.
     
  19. Jul 5, 2016
    Jp274

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    Not to sure since this is my first build. Almost finished up with the frame gonna start in the motor next. Tore it down crank looks great Pistons were locked in the cylinder but I was able to knock them out.
     
  20. Nov 25, 2019
    Jp274

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    What's Up everyone? Its been a long time since I've posted on here. I had to unfortunately put the jeep project aside for a few years and plan my wedding, home purchase and all the fun stuff that comes along with that. This past year I've gone pretty hard into the restoration process with my father and made great progress. I'm going to start posting pics of all the work we had accomplished.
     
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