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ac fuel pump repair

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by greg 74, Apr 22, 2016.

  1. Apr 22, 2016
    greg 74

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    hallo

    i hope , i ll be clear enought .



    on my cj 1968 , i ve a ac fuel pump with vacuum pump for my wipers .

    the fuel diaphragram was leaking . so i ve bought a complete kit .

    when i ve openned the pump i ve changed everything from the kit except 2 valves .

    why = because there was no valves but a kind of brass socket ( red circles ). they are on the " wipers pump side "


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    on this drawing , we can see those non changed valves . on the yellow circles , we have those valves


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    nb: i ve changed those with the green circles (valve picture before changing of the wiper sider of the ac pump)



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    MY TROUBLE :



    the fuel pump is ok , engine runnig fine . my hose for my wipers are brand new and new clamps

    but my wipers don t move . i ve tried to move the thoses from a nipple to another :same thing no movement .

    the depression coming from the intake manifold is perfect .

    when i m pumping with my mouth on the hose going to the wipers , i can see them moving when i pull the sink .

    when the engine is running and the depression hoses is on a nipple or the other one : no depression a the other nipple

    as far i remember my wipers work , very very slowly . and (i m sure of this) , i can hear a depression noise

    some one can help me , please



    have a nice day
     
  2. Apr 22, 2016
    Glenn

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    By depression you mean vacuum I'm sure, so you should only have vacuum on one side because the other side is the exhaust. In other words you should feel one sucking and one slightly blowing.
     
  3. Apr 22, 2016
    Glenn

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    Maybe you can post a picture of how you have the vacuum system hooked up?
     
  4. Apr 22, 2016
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    I don't see how your wipers could ever have worked with those brass plugs in there, pull them out & put the replacement valves in.

    H.
     
  5. Apr 22, 2016
    greg 74

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    with an old pictures

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    yes : the hose from the intake manifold big sucking

    but for the other nipple (when i hookep up like my picture ) = nothing
     
  6. Apr 22, 2016
    Glenn

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    The way I read it he changed the valves that he should have.
     
  7. Apr 22, 2016
    Glenn

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    It seems the brass plugs should be there because it is a separation of the 2 systems. At least that's how I interpret the picture anyway.
     
  8. Apr 22, 2016
    greg 74

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    i ve called one of my friend , is sure and remind me that : 2 years we made an offroad trip under the rain and they were working . very slowly but they re working . sometime he had to help with the manual sink



    ok , i can try to put valves but the side is ...



    if i m oversizing the " old picture " (sorry i don t know the rieght word in english) , they seem to be in the same side , but not sure .
     
  9. Apr 22, 2016
    greg 74

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    i ve changed the valve that i can see .

    but at the end i had 2 valves remaing of my desk .


    for these 2 valves : the location is filled wilth the brass plugs
     
  10. Apr 22, 2016
    Glenn

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    Is it possible you installed the valves backwards? You should be able to pull manifold vacuum straight through the vacuum side of the pump.
     
  11. Apr 22, 2016
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Looks to me like the fuel valves were changed. I rebuilt my pump & there weren't any brass plugs in there, again I don't see how the thing could work without the valves on the vacuum side.

    Greg, if the wipers are running slow you may have an issue with dried out grease in them- this has been discussed here a few times, try a search here for "vacuum wiper".

    H.
     
  12. Apr 22, 2016
    PeteL

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    X2. It seem someone blanked off the vacuum side of the pump. o_O

    If the wipers worked at all, it was on the engine vacum form the manifold.
     
  13. Apr 22, 2016
    greg 74

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    i ve cleaned and greased my wiper .

    i m agree with all of you, the brass plugs seem stranges .

    like my diaphragms were very old , perhaps i had leaks and like that the wiper work
     
  14. Apr 22, 2016
    Glenn

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    He's showing circled in green the valves he changed, vacuum side and fuel side.
     
  15. Apr 22, 2016
    greg 74

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    what is the rythm of that kind of wiper ?
     
  16. Apr 22, 2016
    Glenn

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    To me it shows those brass plugs isolating the actuating arm cavity that goes to the crankcase.
     
  17. Apr 22, 2016
    Glenn

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    If working good somewhere between low and high on a 2 speed electric system usually.
     
  18. Apr 22, 2016
    greg 74

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    that s correct

    the problem is located on the body .

    valve or no valve ????

    and if valve :what is the right side ?????





    never show you my jeep (2 years ago , offroad trip for the d day)


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  19. Apr 22, 2016
    greg 74

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    exactly
     
  20. Apr 22, 2016
    greg 74

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    i m far of that , very very very far !!!!!

    for a complet cylce , the wiper needed for than 6 or 7 seconds
     
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