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T90 transmission sincros

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by mike stg, Jan 1, 2016.

  1. Jan 1, 2016
    mike stg

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    Sorry if this is a dumb question, but......
    I have a 1957 CJ with the T90 transmission in it. Am I correct in thinking there are no sincros for 1st gear? (you have to be at a dead stop to put it in 1st) Or is my transmission messed up?

    thanks,
    mike
     
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    Yes, 1st and reverse are not synchronized. This is typical for 3-speed transmissions from the era.

    Easiest way to drive it is to only go into first at a dead stop. You can, with some practice, double clutch and drop into first while moving, but typically you use second and slip the clutch a little if needed.
     
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    mike stg

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    thanks,
    I don't like it, but I am glad it is working the way it is supposed to. I never drove my jeep before I rebuilt it and the original transmission case was cracked. I purchased a rebuilt tranny from an online builder so I did not know if it was built correct.

    mike
     
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    mike stg

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    another question..... the clutch is all new. it does not engage until the pedal is very high. kinda feels like it is 'on' or 'off' suddenly. Is this normal for this year of clutch / tranny?
    thanks,
    mike
     
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    You should be able to adjust where it engages.
     
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    Are you trying it in High or Low?
    If you are new to jeeps, this will seem especially true in "low range" but that is normal.
     
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    mike stg

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    I am used to cable or 'direct rod attached' clutch pedals engaging low off of the floor and hydraulic clutches engaging a little higher up. my clutch pedal does not engage until it is almost all the way out. I can't adjust it any lower. it works just fine, I am just not used to a clutch like that.

    I was wondering if it feels that way because it pivots off of the floor instead of hanging down from the dash, or maybe I had the clutch linkage hooked up wrong somehow.
     
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    Assuming you have the stock 4 cyl setup?

    Cant remember at the moment but my 4 cyl t90 jeep the clutch engages lower. On my v6 t14 jeep i have a chain linkage and i actually had to loosen it and give it some slack so the clutch would engage with the pedal closer to the floor. It was doing the same thing you described when i had the chain tight.

    Make sure the holes in the cams for the linkage arent worn and may want to try adjusting it the other way and see if it helps
     
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    Howard Eisenhauer

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    The clutch engagement point should be adjustable for pretty much any point in the pedal travel. If it isn't you may have the wrong combination of cross tube/pull rod- there were different ones used for different engine/tranny setups.

    H.
     
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    mike stg

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    Can you tell if the linkage is set up correctly from this pic.

    20150112_080139.jpg
     
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    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Maybe I've got this backwards but it looks like your clutch cable is set up too tight- backing the threaded rod out of the clevis pin should move the engagement point towards the floor.

    H.
     
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    Glenn

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    Wouldn't that have the opposite affect? ;)
     
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    I can't help but wonder if the connecting rod with the 90 degree ends is too long.
     
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    Glenn

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    Are any of those parts new? It looks like at least the rod is.
     
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    mike stg

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    I agree, that rod looks too long, but all components are original to how I received the jeep..... I don't know if a PO changed something with an incorrect part.
    I still don't think changing it to a shorter rod would help anything..... it may lower the engagement point, but the peddle would just sit lower to the floor. the only thing to make the pedal come up to full height would be a spring. it would just be a dead pedal for the first few inches and there would be slop in the cable. hmmmm, oh well, I am not going to over think it...... it works the way it is. :)
     
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    Glenn

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    The picture is obviously body off, but you do have the body on now, correct? Do you not have a clutch pedal return spring? If by chance that rod was too long a shorter one would/should fix the problem. The pedal needs to come up and properly stop against the floor board of course to start getting the adjustment correct.
     
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    Howard Eisenhauer

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    [QUOTE="mike stg, post: 1243549, *Snip*
    the only thing to make the pedal come up to full height would be a spring. :)[/QUOTE]

    There is supposed to be a spring-


    [​IMG]

    H.
     
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    mike stg

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    yes, that pic was from earlier when the body was off. I have a return spring on the brake pedal, but I do NOT have a spring on the clutch pedal. I will look through my left over parts and see if I can locate the spring and go from there. If I add the spring and loosen the clutch cable, would it be possible for the clutch cable to fall off of the clutch arm? here are a couple of more pics of the assembly.

    20150106_114720.jpg 20150106_092730.jpg
     
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    Glenn

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    If I remember correctly yes the cable could come off of the arm if it was loose enough to come out of the position it sits in when attached to the arm.
     
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