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plastic gas tank warpage

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by mike stg, Dec 23, 2015.

  1. Dec 23, 2015
    mike stg

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    hey guys, have any of you had this problem? My jeep came with a plastic gas tank. The tank is warping so that the top of the tank sags more than an inch and a quarter. This kinda messes up the fuel gauge. is there a fix for this ..... besides replacing it with a steel tank? :)
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  2. Dec 23, 2015
    timgr

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    I believe that MTS is the usual supplier for these tanks. If this is an MTS tank, you could give them a call or send an email and ask if they can help you.

    One of two things may be happening. First, this may be the normal shape of the empty tank, and the weight of a full tank of gasoline pushes out the sides and puts the top in tension, raising the sender. Or, it could be that the strap is squeezing the tank, and without a full tank of gas, the top is being pushed down.

    If it's the former, you could put a brace across the top of the tank that holds the sender up and level.
     
  3. Dec 23, 2015
    Walt Couch

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    Mine did the same thing. Probably typical of the plastic tanks. I made a bracket that mounted to the sender housing and lapped over the tank strap. Helped some but not perfect. I just have to live with it. Seriously considering lining my old metal tank and putting it back in.
     
  4. Dec 23, 2015
    PeteL

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    Just a wild*ss thought... How about opening the sender port and wedging a spacer, jammed inside the tank, to support the top? A vertical leg, perhaps a section of ridgid plastic pipe or some such.
     
  5. Dec 23, 2015
    army grunt

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    If that hold down strap is to tight that would happen. Its a easy fix, Remove the strap drill a hole in it lining up with one of the holes on the gauge reinstall it with a longer screw . this might give the tank a little more support. If the strap is flimsy just add a 8" long piece of flat stock on top of it to give it some added stiffness..my $00.02>>>>>>>>>>an yes i agree it should not happen, but it did<<<<<<<<
     
  6. Dec 23, 2015
    Glenn

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    The one in my 3B did the same thing, I personally think it is just typical of what they do.
     
  7. Dec 23, 2015
    melvinm

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    I have seen gas tanks collapse because they were not properly vented ?
     
  8. Dec 23, 2015
    mike stg

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    thanks for all of the input guys. here is a little more info. the tank was only bowed down less than a 1/2" when dry. Now bows down when full of gas. Yes, I thought of the vent issue, but my cap does not seal well. My fear of anything attached to one of the screws in the sender is that they are small and would just strip out of the plastic.

    I really like the idea of putting some PVC pipe in it to hold it up. I will give that a try and let you all know how that turns out.
     
  9. Dec 23, 2015
    Focker

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    I like army grunt's idea but PeteL has a good idea too. Maybe use black (thicker) PVC and drill a few holes through it to keep the tank's volume accurate?
     
  10. Dec 23, 2015
    Mark Wahlster

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    As long as you can get the brace clear of the sending unit float swing and can somehow get it to anchor in place I think that would be an excellent way to correct this problem.
     
  11. Dec 23, 2015
    Patrick

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    I've had 4 MTS plastic tanks, and they've all done it to some extent. The one in the Tux is the worst, but it had gotten sucked down when it wasn't vented, and never came back. It still holds 10 gallons, but I may try sticking a piece of PVC pipe in there to prop it up.
     
  12. Dec 23, 2015
    nickmil

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    I'd suggest putting a piece of your shoring material in the gas you will encounter before doing this. That way you know whether it will deteriorate before potentially having issues.
     
  13. Dec 23, 2015
    jeep2003

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    Iv got two and havnt had this problem but my straps are pretty loose. Id put a few metal pipes in there to keep it up. thick and round ones so they dont fall over. And make sure its venting but by the looks of those straps I think thats what caused it
     
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    Patrick

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    Actually I've been thinking about a piece of copper pipe with caps on the ends..
     
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    nickmil

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    That would be a much better choice :)
     
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    Admiral Cray

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    If you put a large copper pipe in the tank with a hole at the top. Then figure out a way to remotely let the gas out at the bottom...

    A reserve like a VW... or is that over thinking...

    I'll be quiet.
     
  17. Dec 24, 2015
    army grunt

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    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thanks for all of the input guys. here is a little more info. the tank was only bowed down less than a 1/2" when dry<<<<<<<<<
    Here is the problem, The sides are bulging out, an are causing the top to draw down. I would treat the cause. use some wood , say oak, an strap it to the sides of the plastic tank . this should stop the flexing...
     
  18. Dec 26, 2015
    mike stg

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    well, the spacer wedged inside the tank did not work. :(
    it was very hard to pry the tank upwards while pushing the PVC back away from the 1.5" diameter hole. The PVC ended up falling over inside the tank. Now it is just floating loose inside the tank and I cant find it..... not that I would be able to fish it out anyway. Oh well, I tried. :)
     
  19. Dec 27, 2015
    PeteL

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    Sorry it didn't work. But those all sound like problems that could be solved.
     
  20. Dec 27, 2015
    Alan28

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    I suppose that there are very good glue to stick to pvc.
    Why not fix 2 or more screw to get it at the good shape? Of course must be a good glue.
    Easy to make, a screw, a part above to fix and turn until the good shape; needs some screws in plastic too...
     
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