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Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by eti engineer, Oct 24, 2015.

  1. Oct 25, 2015
    PeteL

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    JC Whitney used to sell a similar setup. It also reduces detonation (pre-ignition) in high compression engines. And the alcohol would cool the mix and make it denser, kind of a supplemental supercharging.
     
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    That's what I am thinking. Not sure why the oil would bring up the compression if this were the case, though. Maybe I have both issues. How about a broken ring piece stuck in a valve?
     
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    Unca, now I remember how to do that. The compression gauge kit I got actually has a fitting for that purpose, with a quick release connector on one side and the other side screws into the plug threads. Thanks for jogging my memory. I haven't had to do car work for so long, because I have been buying new cars since I could afford it, that I have forgotten a lot about what I used to do. Thanks!!
     
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    Good point, Petel, and that makes me feel better because there is a good chance that it could still be a top-end problem -- something in the valve train -- which is what I want it to be. So much easier than having to pull apart the bottom end. Thanks for sanity check...
     
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    Glenn,

    Supposedly, there were less than 5K put on the engine since rebuild. The engine has been running fine. No smoke, no stutter, nothing. I have always been a firm believer in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" so I have left it alone, until this backfire issue started. I thought it was a problem maybe with the new distributor I put in, but it didn't start right after I did that. As a double-check, I put the old distributor back in and the problem still exists.
     
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    That's exactly what I am hoping is the issue. I have a can of carb cleaner so I will try that first.
     
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    I remember reading somewhere about that now that you mention it...
     
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    That's what I have been thinking, so I will tackle this first and then go from there.... Thanks...
     
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    Definitely the easiest and quickest check. I was wondering about mileage just in case there was a chance the rings on number 1 weren't seated yet. Should be by now of course with that mileage. :) I would think if something got lodged in the intake valve it would have to come from the intake manifold.
     
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    90-60-90 is better IMO
     
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    I have never had anything that had a broken ring, but can only imagine that for a piece of ring to get out of the ring groove that the piston would have to be extremely sloppy or the top edge of the piston would have to break.
     
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    Oil introduced into the cylinder would have zero effect on a valve issue.
    Your results indicate ring/piston problem(s).
     
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    Yeah, neighbor kid borrowed mine, took about four months to get it back. It sounds like most of the people are voting for a carbon or valve issue but the leakdown test will tell you more. It isn't fun to pull a head off. Want to come and help pull a straight eight head off of my Buick?
     
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    Out of curiosity are those straight 8 engines overhead valve or flathead?
     
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    Unca, my parents owned a 1955 Special with the straight eight it in. I loved that engine, and like the F-134, it had a sound that was distinctly its own. You could tell it a mile away. If you lived close to me -- I live in Central California -- I would more than be happy to help you rebuild that engine.
     
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    OK, I pulled the valve cover, which is a job, because in order to do it, I have to pull the carb, because the carb interferes with its removal. You have to do them both at the same time and the inboard hold-down nut on the carb is a bear to do. Remember I put that Weber 2-bbl on this thing and that was part of the price to pay for trying to stuff a 2-bbl in place of a 1-bbl. But I pulled all this stuff off and it was worth it. There was no valve to rocker arm clearance (lash) in cylinders 1 and 2. In fact in cylinder 1 the intake valve never closed all the way. The leak down test I did had more or less indicated that it was a valve issue. So I adjusted the lash to .016 as specified making sure each cylinder was at TDC as I did. I guess I am not used to mechanical lifters. They sound noisy as hell, but I know they are adjusted correctly now. Since these are so far off, I think I will have to pull the cam side cover and check the exhaust valve clearance. Question: Could this be caused by unleaded fuel? Valve recession? I know I had to use additives in the 280Z engine I built to keep it from happening. Please advise...

    When I first started the Jeep, I re-adjusted the carb and everything was fine. It was accelerating as it should with no backfire, etc. Then it started doing it again. But this time, I noticed it seemed that the carb was leaning out. Will/can this cause it? Intermittent or bad fuel delivery? Just so you know, I put the compression gauge back on each cylinder and they were reading the same numbers above. So I don't think it is an intake valve problem causing my backfire issue. Let me know what you all know. Thanks for the help on the 78-120-120-120 thread. A lot of great knowledge in here...
     
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    "the inboard hold-down nut on the carb is a bear to do"

    I just took an old box-end wrench, heated it, and bent it into a Z-shape (and extended the 'handle' end). Works great on the carb nut.

    Personally I've never had a problem with an F-head maintaining valve clearances. Set and forget.


    Can't explain your backfiring, unless the spark (timing) is possibly erratic for some reason. But you say you tried re-installing the old distributor. HT wires inductance cross-firing?

    Could it be random dieseling/pre-ignition caused by a lean mixture and hot carbon deposits?

    Maybe a sticky valve not closing properly at times?
     
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    uncamonkey

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    Overhead valves with hydraulic lifters.
     
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    Thanks for the offer. I think all it needs is a new head gasket, and I need to fix that darn fuel pump.
     
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