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Engine cuts then coughs and hacks before running again

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Greenshirt82, Jul 10, 2015.

  1. Jul 13, 2015
    Greenshirt82

    Greenshirt82 The Old Girl - '69 CJ5

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    I tried the rap but not the hose pinch. No joy. What IS now happening is an occasional "grab" like it's about to start, then nothing but starter. That "yellow spark" not blue tells me I may have a coil-distributor-plug issue as well.

    Time me to quit for the night. I need to relax and think on the next steps.

    Regards,
    Tim
     
  2. Jul 15, 2015
    1960willyscj5

    1960willyscj5 Well-Known Member

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    Almost sounds like vapor-lock.
     
  3. Jul 15, 2015
    scoutpilot

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    "an occasional "grab" like it's about to start, then nothing but starter. That "yellow spark" not blue tells me I may have a coil-distributor-plug issue as well."

    Tells me your dizzy needs attention.
     
  4. Jul 15, 2015
    Greenshirt82

    Greenshirt82 The Old Girl - '69 CJ5

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    Inspection of distributor shows worn/black center post and points have pitting and wear. Cap, rotor, points and condenser all ordered. Should be in tomorrow.

    Cable inspection shows some wear, age and possible cracking so those are getting replaced as well. Given how cheap plugs are I've already replaced those so I'll have a clean system.

    Regards,
    Tim
     
  5. Jul 15, 2015
    Greenshirt82

    Greenshirt82 The Old Girl - '69 CJ5

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    I know fuel is going to carb now, but spark is weak, so getting that right is my current focus. If I still have the problem next system I'm diving into is the carb.

    Regards,
    Tim
     
  6. Jul 15, 2015
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    Have you verified that moving the accelerator linkage squirts fuel into the throat of the carb?
     
  7. Jul 15, 2015
    Greenshirt82

    Greenshirt82 The Old Girl - '69 CJ5

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    Not yet. I do know fuel goes to the inlet, and the bowl has fuel in it. I'll check it tonight - presuming all I have to do is rotate throttle at carb and look into the throat.

    Regards,
    Tim
     
  8. Jul 15, 2015
    Glenn

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    Yes, that's it.
     
  9. Jul 15, 2015
    Greenshirt82

    Greenshirt82 The Old Girl - '69 CJ5

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    Stupid question: does the engine have be turning over to provide fuel pressure or will it squirt fuel just by rotating the throttle?

    Regards,
    Tim
     
  10. Jul 15, 2015
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    If there's fuel in the bowl then just moving the throttle will do it.

    H.
     
  11. Jul 15, 2015
    Glenn

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    No it doesn't have to be turning over, at least not that I'm aware of. If you do happen to try it while turning it over disconnect the coil wire to the distributor cap. You don't want to take a chance of it backfiring in your face. All you need to see is it squirt once to at least verify the carb has fuel in it.
     
  12. Jul 15, 2015
    scoutpilot

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    Moving the throttle will not do what you need. The motor must be turning because the pump is driven by an arm that is in contact with the cam.
     
  13. Jul 15, 2015
    Greenshirt82

    Greenshirt82 The Old Girl - '69 CJ5

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    I'm alone so can't turn the engine over, but this is what I caught on camera just rotating the throttle.
    [video]https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/RVMUKPZiK5WcgyQIB57yldMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=d irectlink[/video]

    Since no gas squirted into the body, either that's my issue or the engine needs to be turning over to create pressure. I'm guessing the latter as it makes sense.

    Regards,
    Tim
     
  14. Jul 15, 2015
    Greenshirt82

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    For reference, working one thing at a time, I pulled the cap, rotor and points.

    Cap -- center post looks burned.
    [​IMG]

    Rotor -- worn on outer edge:
    [​IMG]

    Points -- pitted and worn badly:
    [​IMG]

    I've already replaced the condenser, as it was in stock. The cap, rotor and points should be here tomorrow.

    Regards,
    Tim
     
  15. Jul 15, 2015
    Glenn

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    Are you talking about that particular carb? I've not heard of this before, and have definitely done what I described.
     
  16. Jul 15, 2015
    tcfeet

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    If the carburator bowl is filled with fuel, the engine does not have to be turning to
    see if it is squirting fuel by moving the throttle linkage by hand.
     
  17. Jul 15, 2015
    Greenshirt82

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    Here's a link to a video; https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/v-BgvU_8706TMnSewGOpAdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink

    This version is while my SO was turning it over. I'm not seeing any fuel.

    When I remove the fuel line to the carb fuel spills out of the bowl, and if I turn the engine over it quickly fills a jar with fuel. While I realize pressure isn't be measured, unless I misunderstand the carb the bowl should be filling with fuel.

    Is there no fuel because the float/needle is stuck? Is it time to rebuild my carbeurator (sigh)?

    Regards,
    Tim
     
  18. Jul 15, 2015
    Glenn

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    Have you tried pinching the return line off? As you have been doing, going from closed throttle to open throttle should produce a squirt of fuel in each barrel.
     
  19. Jul 15, 2015
    Glenn

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    At the inlet of the carb, where you hook the line to is there any kind of small bronze filter? Can you post a good picture of the carb focusing on the inlet area?
     
  20. Jul 15, 2015
    Greenshirt82

    Greenshirt82 The Old Girl - '69 CJ5

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    Here's the inlet side. Yes, that retaining nut is looking gnarly and needs replacing. Too many removals over last few days. It WAS leaking but now isn't.
    [​IMG]

    Here's the throttle linkage side (opposite).
    [​IMG]

    And in case you ask, the front/top.
    [​IMG]

    Regards,
    Tim
     
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