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Bent frame question

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Buddha44, Dec 6, 2014.

  1. Dec 6, 2014
    Buddha44

    Buddha44 Member

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    I've changed springs at all 4 corners and all new shackles. Won't get into too much detail, but I am pretty sure my frame is a bit twisted.
    What I wanted to know is:
    1. Can it be fixed rather easily.
    2. I know it depends on specific damage, but is it generally expensive.
    3. Can I drive the jeep into the shop to have it straightened or does everything have to be removed from the frame.
    Hope these questions don't sounds too idiotic but I have NO experience with straitening frames.
    Thank you all very much.
     
  2. Dec 7, 2014
    nickmil

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    It all depends on where and how bad the damage is as far as how easy the fix is and how much it will cost. Best bet is to consult a reputable collision repair shop with a good reputation and familiar with classic vehicles. The measurements are not likely to be in most measurement systems databases so will require someone with "out of the computer" experience.
    You already answered your own question about can it be fixed easily when you said "I know it depends on the damage". NO WAY we can possibly answer that with the info (or lack thereof) you've provided
     
  3. Dec 7, 2014
    Jw60

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    Most early 5s lean to one side or another, no sway bars and most of the drivetrain is on the driverside with the fuel and driver.
    That said It sounds like you have ruled the regular lean out already.
     
  4. Dec 7, 2014
    tarry99

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    If you have the time and energy you may want to pull out a tape measure with a friend and start pulling measurements off your Jeep from side to side...............or sometimes this is best done from the bottom with the vehicle jacked up level on a flat level concrete pad while dropping plumb bobs down from known locations which are places where factory punched alignment holes exist in the chassis at each corner usually near where the bumpers go on...........extend the plumb bob to the ground and make a chalk mark there in each corner and then measure with a tape side to side and also across the X to the opposite side.........I also like to take a chalk line and snap a line between these points.....if that looks good then pick a spot at the suspension hanger eye center and do it again........You should also to a parallel line marking the rear spring hangers and also the front of the rear spring hanger then do the other side and then do the front on both sides... try to record it all on paper. The key here is to always use the same point at each measuring station.......Don't move your Jeep until your finished with all the measuring........

    Once moved if need be you should now have a pretty good blueprint on the ground of your chassis dimensions and if something is off it should be easy to find.

    Now compare the side to side measurements, the cross or X measurements and last how parallel or in line is your front and rear axles are both in parallelism & length ........If its off at least you now know where.
     
  5. Dec 7, 2014
    Walt Couch

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    what method did you use to determine a twisted frame? Did you make sure that all the tub mounts are the same distance from the frame?
     
  6. Dec 7, 2014
    PeteL

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    IF the frame is twisted, a frame shop can probably straighten it in the vehicle, using floor anchor points. Assuming there is not kinking from collision damage, etc.

    As above, I'd check it out first with some measurements from a flat floor. And - a little twist is not unusual.
     
  7. Dec 7, 2014
    47v6

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    for any jeep i have ever had, if you can see the twist, maybe you need to fix it, if maybe you can't turn one way as well as the other... Pretty sure everything i have ever driven that wasn't unibody had something wrong with it. depends on what it drives like honestly.
     
  8. Dec 13, 2014
    Buddha44

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    Thank you ALL for your help.
    the reason that I feel it is absolutely twisted is that after all the work done....shackles, springs, tire pressure, and parked on level surface, is that the passenger rear sits over an inch higher, and the passenger front sits an inch lower, extremely noticeable. Plus, as I dive deeper it's starting to unfold like a crime scene, previous owner had homemade different length shackles on a few corners. Think I got sold down the river.
    i am very aware of jeep lean, but since noticing this I've looked at probably a dozen old jeeps, ALL of them sit level (to the eye at least) whereas mine you can notice blocks away.
    bummed. Haven't worked on it since cause I just don't know what I'm gonna do with it...
     
  9. Dec 13, 2014
    1960willyscj5

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    nope. That is the famous Jeep Lean. They all do it to some extent. Some fix it by adding another leaf to the rear pack on the drivers side. some put in longer shackles. I just left it alone.
     
  10. Dec 15, 2014
    Arnold Layne

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    Is that just the standard Jeep lean? My '66 has it pretty bad but if you lean on the roll bar when you get out it will stay up straight. If you did this to Mr. 44's Jeep, would it not make it worse on one end, no matter which side you lean on?
     
  11. Dec 15, 2014
    1960willyscj5

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    have you checked all the body mounting pucks?

    deteriorated or missing body mounts will cause the body to not be level, even though the frame is.
     
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