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Double roller timing set V6 dauntless

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by chipdom, Apr 7, 2014.

  1. Apr 7, 2014
    chipdom

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    I am putting a new timing chain set in my 65 dauntless cj5 and have done much research on which type to use. I found a good deal on a new in box Dynagear double roller with 3 keyway crank sprocket on ebay I could not pass up. The question I have is should I use the O.E.M. keyway or is there an advantage to the other 2. I will just basically be using the jeep to do some easy trailling and driving around town on nice days. I have the origional intake and 2 barrel rochester, the only other upgrade I put in is an HEI distributor. Thanks to all and any opinions.
     
  2. Apr 7, 2014
    nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

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    Use the stock cam timing position. For a stock engine no need to advance or retard the camshaft.
     
  3. Apr 7, 2014
    Walt Couch

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    There are differences in opinions about HEI and number #1 spark plug wire location on this forum and would like to see a picture of your HEI installed and which is the #1 wire and how does it run with the HEI and thanks Walt.
     
  4. Apr 8, 2014
    noahlon

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    Here's the way mine is set up. Runs great. The edited photo isn't coming up. Number one is between the empty holes at 10 and 12 o'clock position

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    noahlon

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    chipdom

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    Does it not seem feasable the distributor could be set anywhere as long as the gear is in the gear of the cam with the rotor pointing to the number one cylinder on the compression stroke and the cap clips do not interfere with the part of the intake which has to be ground away and the vacuum advance does not hit anything. I have not put the replacement engine in the jeep yet so it has not been running but I set the number one piston at top dead center on the compression stroke and I can position the distributor to clear the obstacles by aligning the gears in different teeth. Does this sound right ?
     
  7. Apr 8, 2014
    Walt Couch

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    Well the problem with the odd fire is the trigger points are not equal distance apart. There-fore you have only three correct or usable conditions but not sure which are optimal due length and position of spark tangs in the cap. This is what has sparked my interest because I believe there are many 225V6 odd-fires running
    around that are not performing their best because of incorrect alignment of #1 plug wire on the cap to rotor alignment.

    Tnx noahlon for your input.
     
  8. Apr 8, 2014
    uncamonkey

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    I hate to be the curmdgeon here, but I am one.
    We seem to go over this same topic every 2 or 3 weeks or so, I have to ask, how good of a search you did before posting?
    Throw out your Chilton's or Hayne's books, buy a genuine Factory Service Manual (FSM) for the correct year of your Jeep.
    Almost everything you need to know is in it, including how to insert the distributor.
    Sorry, this turned into a bit of a rant. I'll try to be better...
     
  9. Apr 8, 2014
    Walt Couch

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    FYI uncamonkey the HEI dist Will not show up in the JEEP FSM with the 225V6. Are you running an HEI in your 225V6 and If so show us your #1 position on the cap and if not I say maybe you need to take a close look at the inside of an HEI that is installed in a Dauntless. I have a reason for my posting for this info gathering.
     
  10. Apr 8, 2014
    uncamonkey

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    Sorry, I'm not running a HEI on either of my V6's, Pertronix on one, points on the other. My main point was that this has been covered several times before.
    He should have a FSM.
    As I said, I'm a curmudgeon.
    My brothers '71 CJ6 V6 has a HEI sitting on the passenger side floor, when I'm off of all the medications (antibiotics). I should go see what I can figure out.

    John
     
  11. Apr 9, 2014
    Walt Couch

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    He may have an FSM but like I say, the FSM does not cover HEI. Yes the procedure for stabbing a dist is standard but the odd-fire is not standard. That is why the odd-fire/HEI conversions cause proper installation problems to many that have done it. If you have an even-fire HEI that you are converting to ODD and you follow the conversion techniques as shown by others, you may have the wrong dist housing that is not mentioned in some of these photo instructions as shown on the internet. I will provide a picture as an example. Note the dist housing on the right (even-fire) has the cap alignment notch in the wrong place for the ODD-FIRE even though the ODD cap will mount the housing. This is the housing I have and I had to relocate the cap alignment notch in the dist housing.

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    This is one of the things that can cause you many hours of frustration. A heads up is good for our fellow Jeepers.
     
  12. Apr 9, 2014
    chipdom

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    Walt, thanks for that last picture. The HEI that I converted from an even to odd fire has the notch at about 11 oclock from the vacuum advance hole if it is at 12 oclock. Is this going to pose problems for me ?
     
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    Warloch

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    I have the post with all the pics available (when I get home) for building the OF HEI from the EF HEI. I have built many of them and have 2 running in motors and several in my shop.

    One big KEY for the proper position for #1 is the SHORT post in the cap. It is the post just before the Power, Tach plug in the Cap. You need to use the short post to ensure the best alignment for subsequent firing in the rest of the cycle. Looking at books for the Buick's that came with the HEI, you will see this is the post used for #1. While you can move to every other post (keeping the odd - even sequence), it is not recommended.

    If you cut the wrong points - all bets are off.

    JMOP - YMMV - whatever disclaimer you want - it works for me and has for years...
     
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