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steering problems

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by soler, Jan 6, 2005.

  1. Jan 6, 2005
    soler

    soler New Member

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    Ok here is the deal. I have been chasing my steering problem for months now. I have a 1958 with 4 inch lift and a front 30 that has just recently been rebuilt. The tires are bias ply, I have new leaf spring bushings, shackles, and tie rods. Steering stabilizer. The steering has moved to the top of the knuckles using the tie rod end inserts. I am still having the same issues of the jeep irratically pulling from one side to the other side of the road. This happens when hitting no bumps or bumps. What could this be? I think the alignment is very close. Could the steering box need adjusted? Could the steering box be loose? Any ideas?
     
  2. Jan 6, 2005
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    What is your caster? I had to add 5 degree steel shims between my perch and spring pack after I installed a D30 on my rig with 2.5" lift. Caster was at 1 degree. Spec, and decent handling, are at 5 to 7 degrees positive.

    At 1 degree I couldn't drive over 30 mph and keep the rig between the lines. :shock:

    Here's a source for steel shims:
    http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/ForSale/Shims.shtml
     
  3. Jan 6, 2005
    nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

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    What Lynn said. Also may be the bias ply tires. Holbrooks in Gladstone also has steel shims and are local to us. Don't know what degrees they supply though. # is 503-655-4747. Can you post pics of your steering set up? May be angle problems there. Were the ball joints torqued in the right sequence and properly to preload them? They require a special socket to adjust the tapered nut properly. Can cause similar problems if not. Also check wheel bearing adjustment. Can also cause all kinds of wandering problems. Nickmil.
     
  4. Jan 6, 2005
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    All good points from Nick.

    You mentioned new shackles... how long are they, in relation to the factory shackles?
    Are they "lift shackles"? Front shackles longer than stock will reduce the positive caster angle.

    What steering do you have, stock Ross or swapped-in Saginaw?
     
  5. Jan 7, 2005
    66cj5

    66cj5 Jeep with no name

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    sounds like time to rebuild the bellcrank.
     
  6. Jan 11, 2005
    soler

    soler New Member

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    Thanks for your responses. The new shackles are an inch longer than stock, they are welded together in the middle. I had some 3 degree shims I put in and I also changed to some all terrain radial tires. I havent had achance to drive it yet. The steering is a swapped in saginaw and the steering angles are verrrrry close to being parrallel, dropped pitman arm. The front axle was totally rebuilt a year ago. Could my steering box be flexing too? Maybe it is time to check the steering box play.
     
  7. Jan 11, 2005
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    Check your frame for flex as well. I have one that the PO didn't put a solid crossmember in at the front ears of the frame. When you turn the wheels you get frame flex - cracks the frame after a while and makes getting over 40 real scarry as it moves with the road.
     
  8. Jan 11, 2005
    jeepdaddy2000

    jeepdaddy2000 Active Member

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    Be sure that the steering box is centered. Saganaw(and most others)boxes have a "tight spot" when the box is centered to tighten the steering while driving straight.The box rolls off this spot during a turn easing preasure on the sector shaft. If during your mods, the box has gotten "off center", this will cause loose steering. The other thing to check is the tow in, which can also cause darting.
     
  9. Jan 11, 2005
    Bruce Hamilton

    Bruce Hamilton oldjeeps

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    Can you determine at what point in your modifications that the steering went sour? For example, how was the steering after your axle rebuild? Is there anyone with similar modifications that you could compare measurements component by componet?
     
  10. Jan 11, 2005
    Bruce Hamilton

    Bruce Hamilton oldjeeps

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    Can you determine at what point in your modifications that the steering went sour? For example, how was the steering after your axle rebuild? Is there anyone with similar modifications that you could compare measurements component by component?
     
  11. Jan 12, 2005
    Hansh

    Hansh Going Mobile

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    [/QUOTE]The other thing to check is the tow in, which can also cause darting.[/QUOTE]

    I thought "toe out" caused darting?? For "toe in" a vehicle would track better.?? or does too much cause it to dart?
     
  12. Jan 14, 2005
    jeepdaddy2000

    jeepdaddy2000 Active Member

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    Toe(NOT tow) in is a general term of which toe out is a part. And yes, toe out can cause wander.
     
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