Power steering bracket

Do these other views help?
https://jeepcj5project.shutterfly.com/pictures/11

 

Not really.................take a mirror and see if the rear of the heads have the 3 bolt pattern, look on the other side behind the alternator...........and maybe try digging around the front of that head........maybe someone painted over some holes that had grease or dirt in them?..............Not sure , other than I don't ever remember seeing a Buick V6 without the 3 bolt pattern in them..........could it be an early Buick 198? Is that possible anyone?

 

Jon , does that have a 1-barrel Carburetor? I'm thinking that is an early Buick 198 V6 ......vintage 1962

 

No it has a two barrel carb. It looks like the same one that is normally on the V6 225. But I'm far from an expert. I will check out the mirror and bolt issue when I get home tonight.

 

I can't get to back as its too tight to the firewall. There is this number on the front right of the block. Drivers side. Does it help?

https://jeepcj5project.shutterfly.com/pictures/12

 

It is looking more like a 1962 198 V6.....sounds like my challenges just increased 10 fold...ugh. No power steering option either I imagine. Right?

So is it a odd fire automatically?

 

Flsahback time. I was running a 198 in my MB in the 70's. The heads aren't the same.

 

Do a search and you will find some information such as the heads are different as uncamonkey says and the bell housings might be different too. I could be wrong about that.

http://www.earlycj5.net/forums/showthread.php?84604-198-Fireball-V6

 

If it is a 1962 198 V6 then yes it should be an early Odd-Fired Motor , but not the same as a later 225 OF motor............You need to get an inspection mirror...........one that has an arm and the mirror on one end ( about 2 in round )that is movable............with a flash light and mirror in hand , you can then peak around the back of the heads or get that number off of the rear of the block that is just behind the center of the intake manifold..........Finding out whether or not it is a 198 will only be helpful in your sourcing of parts and gaskets , but will not fix your need to install a power steering system & pump..............."You have what you have"..............any pump can be attached to any motor as long as you have the ability to figure out and structure the appropriate brackets...............I could be wrong , but I get the impression that all of this is "New" to you..........If you think that getting the pump to fit is a challenge then you might also consider the next project which is to convert your steering column, change the steering gear to power version which will require fabrication and welding and also needing new steering shafts from the column to the gear along with new tie-rods, drag link and Pittman Arm.

Not trying to discourage you , It can be done and we all welcome anyone that has the desire to learn and engage............but in some case's perhaps things like steering should be performed by someone that has done this previously .........is there a friend or Hot Rod shop in your area that has that knowledge?
None of what you are trying to do here is as simple as just bolting on parts.

 

Steering column, and gear are already upgraded. That's why I want to complete the power Stering change.

 

The 198 and 215 V8 use the same bellhousing. Nowhere near compatable with the 225 bellhousing. Send a picture of the top of the bellhousing or search the Advance Adaptors or Novak sites.

 

The only way your going to complete this picture is for you or someone else to fabricate some mounts to hang a suitable power steering pump off of that motor whatever it is.
Some detailed pictures of what you currently have would be great............like Steering gear and where it's mounted and all the connections forward to the column including the Pittman Arm , Drag Link and Tie Rod to the spindles. Right now we have been flying in the dark as to what you really have. Seems unusual that someone would install everything but the pump to run it.....but I guess that is the case.

 

I've seen this before Terry. Usually someone installs a manual steering gear conversion then midstream or later decides to convert to power.
I agree, pics of what Jonbbrew has would be helpful.

 

Here is a pic of the block number. What does it mean?
https://jeepcj5project.shutterfly.com/pictures/13

 

Well after some searching I guess it is either a 62' or 63' 198 Fireball. Talk about hard to find parts. Well, at least it runs good now with the exception of carb adjustment or rebuild. Bogs down when I push on the gas unless I feather it up. But I am not a carb guy so will start searching options for smoother operation overall.

Im still trying to find out why or when approx someone would have put this engine in. Also trying to see how I am going to move forward with the PS pump install with little bolt to block options.

 

Your Fireball came from a '61 or '62 Buick Special/Skylark or possibly F85 Olds. These cars came with optional power steering that mounted low on the drivers side kind of below the water pump on the side of the timing cover. The aluminum 215 V8 shared the same power steering pump assy, so either of these would bolt onto your engine, provided your Saginaw box is forward enough on the frame.
-Donny

 

Just got one question: If you say the gear is already upgraded ( and I have to assume that would mean a power steering gear) How do you drive this without a power steering pump?

And #1349430 is a 198 casting number so case closed on that subject!............and if it means anything the first letter of your engine number will either be a I which is a 1962 motor or a J which would be a 63 motor.

Get your pump mounted and drive it.............

 

I know. Much to my amazement it does steer even being a power gear. The lines are cut and smashed shut. It's a small steering wheel so it's some work turning corners but does. So know trying to find a way to mount pump.

 

Will here's the Bad News..........That Power steering gear is full of O-rings , seals and ball bearings.......all of which require constant lubrication..........plan on rebuilding that gear box once your ready to pressurize it.