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11 inchers or disks/11s

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by m38willys, Jan 2, 2005.

  1. Jan 2, 2005
    m38willys

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    What do y'all (you all) think would be better, 11 inch brakes all around, or putting disks up front and 11 inhers in the rear. I am working on my M38 replacing the 9 inchers. I have all the parts to do either, but just wondering. I know the 11 inchers would probably be easier, but will the disks stop me better? Has anyone gone from 11 inchers to disks up front? Impressions?
     
  2. Jan 2, 2005
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Disks will stop better but the general consensus seems that most people after swapping to 11"ers stay there.
     
  3. Jan 3, 2005
    JohnyJeep

    JohnyJeep BLOWING A XING NEAR U@2AM

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    My braking system is by far the thing I am most pleased with in my entire buildup. I had 11" all the way around and swapped to large power disc brakes up front. I think this is especially true if your running larger tires (I'm running 34's) I'm sure my 11's would have been fine too if I would have rebuilt the entire system though. HTH Good luck.
     
  4. Jan 3, 2005
    schardein

    schardein Low Range Therapy

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    I went from stock 10", to disc front/11 drum rear, to 11" all around. The front discs would drag really bad with my single line master cylinder. The residual valve in it is for drums, which made the discs drag. Not sure if it is possible to disable it. On dual chamber master cylinders it is under the tube seat where the line attaches to the mc and can be removed, or just get a disc/drum MC to begin with. If you are keeping your single line MC you might want to consider drums all around. Haven't heard much about it here, but mine dragged REALLY bad, would bring the Jeep to a stop and hold it on a hill at a stop sign!
    I may eventually switch to a dual line MC using Herms bracket, then I could go back to discs, I still have the parts. My system works good enough though. If I was running larger tires or doing a lot of mud, discs would be a bigger priority.
     
  5. Jan 3, 2005
    lostexan_78

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  6. Jan 3, 2005
    michigan_pinstripes

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    IMO, the easiest upgrade is 4 wheel 11" drums. We slapped on old 11" setup directly from a Postal Jeep to the front of a 2A (9" rears stayed) and the braking was impressive!! I would love to try a disc conversion for the challenge but have too many other things higher on the Jeep upgrade priority list. IMO, discs are cool but drums are super easy and provide lots of stop.

    Discs should turn normally paper thin close but the valve is keeping it too close.

    Based on a conversation I had last summer with the local performance parts store, you may be able to run without the valve but may have too much pedal. There is multiple valve sizes you can use to fine tune it. Also, small diameter brake lines are preferred with disc while keeping the standard diameter for the drums. A different proportion valve may fix all you problems. Consult a <good> parts store or call Wilwood direct for advice.
     
  7. Jan 3, 2005
    Boyink

    Boyink Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I had power 11" drums on Dutch and can't imagine needing more stopping power. The only issue was performance when wet, which I intend to solve by putting on some drilled drums. If that works as well as Lynn says, I'll be a happy camper!

    Also keep in mind drums are lighter....
     
  8. Jan 3, 2005
    nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

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    I went from 9" to 11" then to discs on the CJ-5. I'll never go back to drums. The change from 9" to 11" was dramatic. Stopped very well. However, when they got wet braking was unpredictable and there is much more maintenance with drum brakes. When I went to discs I was much happier. Braking is better and more predictable than with drum, the wet mud and clay we get in Oregon doesn't effect them near as much, and much less maintenance. Lynn has a great system of drilling the 11" drums for similar performance, but that means every time you need to replace a drum, you have to drill it before you can use it. More hassle. 11" drums are easier to install and set up initially, but more of a hassle in the long run. If you have the set ups for both, I'd go disc. For most people, drums are a good way to go as there is less initial hassle. Nickmil.
     
  9. Jan 3, 2005
    Hawk62cj5

    Hawk62cj5 Captain of OldSchool

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    Disc are always better , its just a matter of money and or luck finding doner parts . Remember if you switch out to disc you might wont to find a higher volume MC and dont forget to get rid of the front 10 pound res vavle as mentioned above.
     
  10. Jan 3, 2005
    m38willys

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    OK, I think I'll keep a set of 11 inchers for the rear and the disks for the front then. Guess I need to do the D30 disks to Dana 25 swap then.... Thanks for the input gents.
     
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