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Failed Sparton Turn Signal Switch

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by throwback, Jun 29, 2016.

  1. throwback

    throwback Member

    My stock turn signal switch has failed. It does not make the ticking noise, doesn't light up the indicator light, and doesn't actuate the signals.

    The biggest problem is that my passenger brake light has also quit. Interestingly, if I have the brake pedal pressed and move the turn signal switch to turn on the left blinker my left brake light goes out.

    I have the stock Sparton switch setup and I took it apart. It appears that the actual electrical switch device inside is all that would need to be replaced but I don't know where to get one.

    Any ideas?

    My switch inside looks just like this:

    Stock Sparton turn signal (1968) to EZ Wiring (pic)
     
  2. throwback

    throwback Member

    Some Googling around found this wiring diagram. Looks like I should have a flasher module somewhere, just not sure where to look.

    [​IMG]
     
  3. Focker

    Focker That's a terrible idea...What time? Staff Member

    The flasher is stuffed up under the dash. It has a white wire and black wire looped through it and back to the Spartan.
     
  4. throwback

    throwback Member

    Is it a standard replaceable part that I can get at Auto Zone / Advanced?
     
  5. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Yes. Make sure you get a quality one.
     
  6. Walt Couch

    Walt Couch sidehill Cordele, Ga. 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    That cancelling your stop light when you flip the turn sig lever is normal operation.
     
  7. throwback

    throwback Member

    So I replaced the flasher unit with a brand new one and nothing changed. What else is involved in the operation that could be doing this?
     
  8. 3b a runnin

    3b a runnin Active Member 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    maybe lost the + connection from flasher inside the signal switch?
     
  9. throwback

    throwback Member

    I took the whole switch assembly apart and put it back together. Never again. Those stupid little springs and whatnot are nearly impossible to get put back together properly.

    It all seems to be mechanically functional from that side, I'm guessing I need to trace out wires and see if I have a short under the body or something.
     
  10. Howard Eisenhauer

    Howard Eisenhauer Administrator Staff Member

    This may help, done up by one of the members here-

    7-Wire

    H.
     
  11. Focker

    Focker That's a terrible idea...What time? Staff Member

    You could always do what I did...One draw back is no self canceling.

    Turn Signal Toggle
     
  12. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Is there fuse that you might not be aware of?
     
  13. mayday

    mayday Sponsor

    I had issues with mine awhile back had ground issues on flasher base.
     
  14. Rick Whitson

    Rick Whitson Detroit Area 2024 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    My left brake was not working, bulb was good. I opened the Sparton up and started testing, and the left brake light worked inside the switch. I looked under the hood, where the connectors are and still no power to the left brake light. I finally got on my back, it hurts to do that in a Jeep, and found that there is a set of plugs between the Sparton switch and the firewall connectors under the dash, I unplugged them and put them back together, and that fixed it, Eureka. It is a three wire connector, a plastic triangle, that has lost connection. I hope this helps, good luck.
     
  15. throwback

    throwback Member

    Excellent information guys. I think I'll start by jumpering the wires around the switch to see if I can at least get both brake lights working again. I like the turn signals but right now I only have a driver side brake light, and they are so dim as-is that I don't want to get on the road without both working.
     
  16. Focker

    Focker That's a terrible idea...What time? Staff Member

    The taillight's ground could be poor.
     
  17. throwback

    throwback Member

    The tail lights are pretty new and everything was working perfectly until the turn signals quit, now I only have a driver's side brake light.

    Is there only one power lead that flows through the flasher module which powers the brake lights and signal switch?
     
  18. Howard Eisenhauer

    Howard Eisenhauer Administrator Staff Member

    The brake lights are on a separate power source from the turn signals (i.e. the brake light switch.

    When you use the turn signal it disconnects the relevant brake light from that brake power source & substitutes power from the turn signal flasher, see the link I posted earlier.

    get a test light & follow the power through from both sources to the lamps.

    H.
     
    Last edited: Jun 30, 2016
  19. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Unplug the flasher and see if the brake lights work. You are leaving the turn signal in the off position, correct? Did you get a flasher that is made for at least 4 lights?
     
  20. throwback

    throwback Member

    The running lights come on with the headlights in both tail lights, brake light only on the driver's side, which switches off when toggling the turn signal switch breaking the circuit.

    Logically it sounds like I've lost power to the flasher module, but the passenger side brake light not working is odd. Maybe the second bulb filament went out at exactly the same time. I'll check tonight when I get home.