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Powering up a 3 phase machine

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by PieLut, Aug 27, 2012.

  1. Aug 27, 2012
    PieLut

    PieLut Member

    Glendale, Arizona
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    Thought I would share my experience with Variable Frequency Drives (VFD). Great way to power up all those 3 phase machines you’ve got laying around.
    Keep in mind that if you have a 1hp or less 3 phase motor, you can buy a VFD that will convert 110 volt power into 3 phase. Gotta love that. You can finally hook up that South Bend lathe in your empty guest room ;)

    VFD’s can be intimidating, but after some education they are quite simple. The following is my VFD build from start to finish.
    I spent much time deliberating between brands and prices. I noticed that the TECO VFD is one of the most popular choices and there are more detailed information about setting these up. The price was right and it met my requirements. I purchased mine from Dealers Electric http://dealerselectric.com/item.asp?PID=4709

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    I elected to not mount the VFD inside a protective box. Instead, I used a piece of aluminum plate that mounts to the wall and the VFD is mounted to the aluminum

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    Next up was finding a source for power. I already have single phase 220 for a welder and air compressor, so that was the ticket. I bent up some conduit and placed a 70 amp load center near the VFD.
    70 amp load center from Home Depot
    Model # QO24L70SCP

    On the wall and conduit attached

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    I used 10 gauge wire to feed the two pole 30 amp breaker.

    Then I used 14 gauge wire from the output side of the 30 amp breaker to the input of the VFD. I used flexible conduit to cover the 14 gauge to the VFD.

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    Next up was to figure out the wiring to the Taiwan made 2HP motor. Luckily the data tag on the motor was still legible, so I was able to attach all the wires easily. These 3 phase motors are labeled “X,Y,Z”

    Old switch

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    Switch removed and wires tied

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    At this point I flipped the circuit breaker and the VFD powered up. After some initial programming on the VFD the Webb sprung to life. It is possible to use the VFD for all of the start/stop and forward/reverse functions, but operating the VFD on a wall behind the mill would be a pain. After some more searching I figured out a clean way to have a remote set up for my controls.
    I didn’t want to spend a lot on the remote set up, and so after many hours searching I found a weatherproof one gang electrical box along with a blank cover.

    Found at Home Depot.

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    I wanted a switch that would hold up to years of use, so I spent a little more on this switch.
    http://www.automationdirect.com/adc...a-_Non-Illuminated/Non-Illuminated/GCX3370-22

    I found a nice 10K pot at Frys Electronics along with a knob
    Black knob for pot…Frys item 5588360
    http://www.frys.com/search?search_type=regular&sqxts=1&query_string=5588360&cat=0
    10k potentiometer...Frys item 2915715
    http://www.frys.com/product/2915715?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

    In order to make the pot and 3 position switch work you will need some shielded cable.
    Also from Fry’s Electronics..item 3550844
    This is a 9 conductor 24 gauge shielded cable 25 feet long.
    http://www.frys.com/search?search_type=regular&sqxts=1&query_string=3550844&cat=0

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    The 3 pot wires attach to location 9,10,11 on the control signal terminal.
    The 3 position switch uses a total of 4 wires. Two wires share spot 3 on the terminal. The other two wires attach to spot 4 and 5 respectively.

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    After some testing and changes to the settings in the VFD, the remote system came to life.
    At this point I decided to make a clean and functional way to mount the switch box. I could have mounted it to the side of the mill, but that would be too easy. I knew I wanted to have the switch box at a location and height that would be user friendly. I decided on a flexable arm that would pivot at two places to allow for maximum maneuverability. I used some scrap 1x2 steel along with some angle iron, round tubing , ½” all thread and some aluminum knobs I found.

    I really like the end product.

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  2. Aug 28, 2012
    Jw60

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    Where is the safety switch?
     
  3. Aug 28, 2012
    PieLut

    PieLut Member

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    I considered installing one, but I decided against it. I've never used a mill with a big red safety switch and I've never needed one.
    When you turn the swtch off the motor stops in less than 1 second.
     
  4. Aug 28, 2012
    WRMorrison

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    I don't think I've ever seen an e-stop switch on a manual mill. I've always called them "blood and bones" switches, since that's the only time they're needed...lol. The rest of the time, powering off (or a simple reset if CNC) is usually all that's needed.

    -WRM
     
  5. Aug 28, 2012
    Walt Couch

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    That is one neat setup. Didn't know the 3 phase conversion was so reasonably priced and simple. Tnx for the post.
     
  6. Aug 28, 2012
    tomtom

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    That is very cool! I just have a static phase converter on my mill, but I will need to upgrade to one of these someday. When I looked into VFD's 5 or so years ago they were much more expensive. Thanks for posting.
     
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