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Manual Saginaw Rebuild

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by linckeil, Jul 19, 2005.

  1. Jul 19, 2005
    linckeil

    linckeil Member

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    Ok, I did a search, but wasn't satisfied with the results. All prior posts didn't stipulate whether they were discussing a manual or power box.

    Anyway, here's my dilemma... I have a 3 bolt manual saginaw box out of a 1970 jeepster that is going in my '64 CJ5. I want to replace all bearings, seals, and gaskets. I have the box apart and all internals look great.

    I contacted Herm, but he doesnt supply a kit. He's checking with his other contacts for me, but thinks that they only carry kits for a power box. I also made some phone calls to some local auto part houses, and they only have kits for power units.

    Has anyone here ever rebuilt a manual box? Where can I get a kit for one? I'd much prefer to rebuild my old one because of A) the cost of a new box, and B) the internals of my box are in perfect shape. I'm also aware of the preload and backlash settings when rebuilding a box. Thanks for any input.
     
  2. Jul 21, 2005
    linckeil

    linckeil Member

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    Nothing huh? I bet half of the people here have converted to saginaw steering, but no ones rebuilt a manual box?

    I'll let this thread die gracefully if no one replies. :)
     
  3. Jul 21, 2005
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Nope to hard to find in this day and age, with the exception of jeep GM hasn't used one in 20+ years. I went power saginaw simply because finding a decent manual box was a complete pain in the butt, Vanguard lives in California and got his from me in Alabama and I went thru about 15 of them to find the one he has. Most of the ones I found had sit in the rain so long I consideed them Junk. I can't find the number now but I had a NAPA number that I sent Fivos (our member in Greece) about a 1 1/2 years ago.
    I'm going down to my favorite mom and pop shop today, if you can tell me what your box came off of roughly maybe Mr Hasty will know, he doesn't believe in computers, uses books still, the old fart hasn't failed me yet, maybe he can give me a part number or a source..
     
  4. Jul 21, 2005
    linckeil

    linckeil Member

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    That would be great. It's off a 1970 Jeepster. Jim (jpflat2a) was nice enough to scan me an exploded view of my box from one of his many manuals. Here it is. This may help out "Mr. Hasty".....
     
  5. Jul 21, 2005
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    I thought ljspop had his manual box rebuilt not too long ago
    or got the parts from somewhere to do it himself
    Bob, you out there ?????
    guess I could search...
     
  6. Jul 21, 2005
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Talked to Mr hasty awhile ago, we looked thru several of his books, the kits are listed as unavailable. He said that doesn't mean anything other than his jobber warehouses don't list or carry them anymore. He told me that the internet or a auto repair shop that does that type of work is probably the only source for the kits now. He said GM had not used a manual box on anything they make since 1977, other than industrial applications or trucks.
     
  7. Jul 21, 2005
    timgr

    timgr Jeepin' Nerd 2020 Sponsor 2019 Sponsor

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  8. Jul 21, 2005
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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  9. Jul 21, 2005
    linckeil

    linckeil Member

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    Thanks for the help guys.
    Drivetrain.com doesn't do manual boxes.
    Straight Line Steering has what I need for 79 bucks.
    SteeringGearRebuilders.com has what I need for 55 bucks.
     
  10. Aug 12, 2005
    timgr

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    Just to put it on record, heres another source for manual steering gear rebuild parts
    http://www.quad4x4.com/Jeep Front Axle.htm

    Scroll down; $59 kit

    BTW they have a Jeep manual Saginaw overhaul kit on sale in the bargain corral. No details given, but might be worth a call. Post your results please.
     
  11. Aug 12, 2005
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    Tim
    it appears to be an o'haul manaul for Saginaw boxes
    not the parts
    FYI
     
  12. Aug 13, 2005
    Uncle Jeep

    Uncle Jeep Snow in the desert??

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    I got my seals for my manual saginaw box from LMC Truck (lmctruck.com). Both seals run 8.95 each. The bronze bushing was 16.95.
     
  13. Aug 13, 2005
    jeepdaddy2000

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    Sory if I missed something, but has anybody tried their local GM parts department?
     
  14. Aug 13, 2005
    ljspop

    ljspop Lurking Bronco Dude

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    Sorry for the slow reply. I was impressed with Straight Line Steering. They took the number off the box (I had no idea what it was off of) and sent me the right stuff. FWIW.
     
  15. Aug 14, 2005
    Hawk62cj5

    Hawk62cj5 Captain of OldSchool

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    Good post I was given a Manual jeep box from a friend not long ago and have decided to keep the hurrican so Im going over to the manual not power box. Thanks for the heads ups yall
     

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