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I’m Stuck! Help Me Stop. (advise Please)

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by blalp!, May 20, 2020.

  1. May 23, 2020
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

    Falcon, CO
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    I'm running and building with Wilwood pedal setups and MCs for both brake and clutch. I know lots of folks like the power brakes, I'm not a fan of them wheeling. Lost power to many times and wanted strong manual setups - hence the Wilwood. I also run Disk front and 11" rears. Can lock them up fine and many folks think I have power brakes with the way mine are set up.

    Wife hated the clutch and how much it took to run it. That and the binding issues made going Hydro there a no brainer. I have both the Novak Push and Wilwood/Speedway pull slaves on my setups. Both seem to work fine once you get them together.

    Not cheap - but worth every penny.
     
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  2. May 23, 2020
    Norcal69

    Norcal69 Out of the box thinker 2020 Sponsor 2019 Sponsor

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    I’m in the same camp. Discs front, 11” rears with floor pedals. No problems stopping 33’s. Y’all never tried to roll down a hill with the engine off?
     
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  3. May 24, 2020
    jonah

    jonah Member

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    I ran the wilwood pedals and master too. They did work, I just got tired of the pedal effort. What length pedal do you run? Are you running wilwood calipers too? My setup was dual masters (one front, one rear). GM 1/2 ton calipers in the front, 11 drums in rear. I thought about improving the manual setup for a while but went hyrdoboost and never looked back.

    If you are going to switch to boosted, one benefit to hydroboost over vac boost is that you do get one to two boosted brakes after the engine dies. But after you use the reserve pressure it is a very heavy pedal to be sure. Manual does have that benefit of always being the same and predictable. I am on 35s now and my jeep is not too light (3800 lbs without me in it) which is also a factor.

    The hydro clutch is a no brainer for me. I am currently running a speedway pull slave. Works fine but i do go through orings on those slaves. What life do you get out of yours? Mine is in a hot spot, insulation helped some but I have gone through 4 in 8 years or so.
     
  4. May 24, 2020
    jonah

    jonah Member

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    LS power never stalls :D
     
  5. May 25, 2020
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    I'm running the standard @ 12" pedals with the 7:1 ratio. I also oversize the MC piston on a dual MC to get the good pressure at the wheels. Most are Jeep or Chevy disk setups up front with standard Jeep 11" rears. I'll be doing the GEO Tracker disks on the current build, so we will see how that works out. Organic pads are the best bet for this as well...

    Used to think EFI would help - it does quite a bit - it can/does still stall at the 'worst' possible moments. But then, that makes sense as everything runs fine at good angles, no bouncing, being in the right gear for the full climb, no rocks rolling out from under where you counted on it being for the tire... :banghead:
     
  6. May 25, 2020
    jonah

    jonah Member

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    Interesting, that was basically the set up i used. If I was going to keep manual I would have played with the piston size on the master to increase pressure a little. Like I said it worked pretty well, but I always trend toward more power, lol.I cant remember the master piston size I used. Sounds like you have a good formula worked out.

    What calipers are you using for the Tracker disks? Front or rear?
     
  7. May 25, 2020
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    I don't remember as I bought them over a year ago for the build shelf but I believe they are front - I'll see if I can pull them off the parts list out in the shop later in the week (recovering from surgery). I'm using the specs and parts from the Brennan Metcalf Caliper Brackets builds on his Facebook page.
     
  8. May 25, 2020
    jonah

    jonah Member

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    I was just curious. I was looking at those for my rear disks I am setting up on my 9 inch build, but they were a little thin for the el Dorado calipers.

    Hope you recovery is going well!
     
  9. May 26, 2020
    BadGoat

    BadGoat How High Can You Climb?

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    I have Chevy truck discs on the rear to go with my El Dorado calipers on the J-truck 44. But I'm running 6 lug wheels.

    I wanted power brakes more for road use then trail time. The LS motor spools up quickly so I wanted to be sure the whoa matched the go.


    Mike
     
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  10. May 26, 2020
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Just to throw this out there, you can make or buy remote fill kits for under floor master cylinders.
     
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