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Herm Rebuilt T90 Question

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Tomellen, Nov 22, 2020.

  1. Nov 22, 2020
    Tomellen

    Tomellen Member

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    I'm finally back working on my jeep. I bought and installed a HERM rebuilt T90 transmission. My first question is that when shifting, the engagement of the gears seems a little difficult and rough so is this normal for a new unit with straight cut gears? I imagine they will get smoother as time goes on.

    Second question; is the only difference between the T86 shifter and T90 shifter is that the T86 has the back up light switch tapped hole and the T90 doesn't have it or are there other differences?

    Thanks and be safe.
     
  2. Nov 22, 2020
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    Clutch adjustment comes to mind when talking about shifting. My '69 (new) had an F-head and had back up lights, so the later T-90s did have the switch too. I don't know anything about the T-86 shifter.
     
  3. Nov 22, 2020
    timgr

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    I thought the T-86 and T-90 forks are different. If this were for me, I would hope to use the T-86 casting and build a T-90 shifter with a backup light switch. Herm would certainly know.
     
  4. Nov 22, 2020
    nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

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    T86 shifter can work but one shift fork must be changed. It’s been a long time so I don’t remember which one for sure. The 2-3 fork comes to mind but verify that.
     
  5. Nov 23, 2020
    Tomellen

    Tomellen Member

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    I did check out the t90 shift tower Herm sent me with with the rebuild t86 into a t90. The one i mention which seems to shift hard. question 1 above. I found a real funky pin holding the 2 to 3 shift fork to the shift shaft. The shift fork was real loose on the shift shaft. I replaced with a roll pin and it tightened things up the way they should be. I'm thinking the t90 tower was never rebuilt by herm and I got what the PO did to secure the fork OR Herm installed the funky pin. Either way not good. I also found the reason for the hard shifting seems to be the the detent balls and/or springs. It shifts so hard into 2nd that when the detent ball finally lets the shift rod slide u have to be careful not to let it go into reverse. Going to check this out soon.
    I have a video showing the funky shift fork pin, but cant seem to upload it.
     
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  6. Nov 24, 2020
    Tomellen

    Tomellen Member

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  7. Nov 24, 2020
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    If Herm sent you a faulty shift tower with the rebuilt transmission then shouldn't he replace it?
     
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  8. Nov 24, 2020
    Tomellen

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    I'm going to contact him about it.
     
  9. Nov 25, 2020
    Tomellen

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    Glenn, Not a big deal to me. What I found was loose pin installed to hold shift fork to shift rail allowing the fork to wiggle around. I sent my video to herm and explained and asked if he checks out the tower he supplies with his rebuilds. He answered and said yes, puts them in vice to see if they operate ok. In my case I don't feel this was good enough, but I fixed it by just installing a roll pin.
    Herm is on west cost, I'm on the east cost so I wasn't about to send shifter to him, when I could easily fix. In addition I would rather not deal with him if I don't have to.
    I wish I could send you my video so I could get your opinion.

    Thanks!
     
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  10. Nov 25, 2020
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    I doubt my opinion would be better than yours regarding what you did to fix it. If you're satisfied that it works properly now that's what matters. You're not alone in the dealing with Herm group. I guess it's hit or miss with him on certain things. Maybe the day of the week makes a difference?
     
  11. Nov 27, 2020
    Tomellen

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    Yes I ended up tearing the T90 tower down, detent ball springs were stretched by PO making shifting very hard. I took out the 2 to 3 shift fork and installed it into a T86 shifter which has the correct balls and springs. It shifts very nice now, very smooth. I like the longer shift "throw" the longer T86 shift stick offers and the back up switch. I"m so so glad it wasn't a transmission problem.
     
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