Get'n Rid of the 72 Clutch Cable

Did the search, and all i found was the '72s CJ5s clutch cable is crap, and there was a conversion kit available when I was young. (long ago).
Here are some pics of what I got and what I picked up off of Craigs LIst.
The big ?s 1. Do I need to change out the clutch fork ?. 2. Can the new clutch pedal (with linkage) be bolted in and just replace the old pedal ? or is the whole assembly need to be changed out under the dash ?

Whats in the jeep

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What I got off Craigs List for 15 bucks or what i call a six pack and a pizza !
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the pedal and t/o fork are the same.
looks like you have all that you need.
the hole thru the floor may be different.
in your pic of the fork/bellhousing, has part of your bellhousing been broken off ?
I see a rough edge there and that might be the location where the bracket for the crosstube bolts to the bellhousing

 

there are parts book pictures posted here somewhere of both the cable and solid linkage set-ups FYI

 

I did the same swap on my 72 CJ5 about 8 years ago. You can use your clutch fork but you will need to weld up the slot where the cable now connects, I eventually installed the correct clutch fork years later when I had the transmission out for a repair. There is an L shaped bracket that bolts to the side of the frame that supports the cross shaft bracket that I don't see in the picture. I think that something was different in the pedal assy. because I do remember having to change the whole assy. I reused my brake pedal and then immediatly found out that I had to shorten the brake pushrod because the brakes would not release after the swap, so I would swap the brake pedal also, it's not that hard to change out the whole pedal assy. Good luck

 

Thanks, nice to find some one thats done this swap. Did you have to change out the whole frame with pedals attached ( as in the pic) or the pedals bolt in place in the 72 frame. Last thing, there a small part in the parts diagram that sits between the clutch fork and the final push rod, did you find what ever it was or go without it ? Looks like a little race or seat the push rod sits in at the fork. But cant tell from the drawing.

 

Dave, I think the swap is pretty easy. Don't know the PNs of the specific parts, but Jim is the big Kahuna wrt parts lookup.

In that era, Jeep sold a kit to change the cable over to the bellcrank. They would authorize installing the kit as warranty service for the cable. It was my understanding that the parts in the kit were just a collection of off-the-shelf stuff for a '73, a box and a sheet of instructions.

Jim says the pedal and clutch fork are the same - I expect that's correct, because this kit did not require anything drastic like removing the pedal support or transmission/bellhousing. Plus, like I said, Jim's the Kahuna wrt PNs.

You are missing a bracket on the frame that the bellcrank bracket bolts to, however (unless it's already on your Jeep).

I think that seat or ring is rubber (?) and you don't really need it.

<edit> Jim's scans of clutch setups from the parts books: http://earlycj5.com/gallery2/v/picBank/album_005/

Looks like you have 5.168-2b and are missing 5.168-2c.

There's a piece in Jim's drawing (5.135-2a) that looks like it bolts to the clutch pedal to relocate the pedal-to-bellcrank rod. Jim's diagram is labeled for 1972. The parts you got don't have it, so I'm guessing that it's used to make the P2B rod go through the existing hole in a '72 floor. Shouldn't be needed if you are willing to relocate the hole in the floor.

 

Now I think the pedals are different.

The drawing of the '72 shows a pedal with a different shape than the one you have. I expect it is of a '72 with the retrofit kit, and that the '73-on pedal is different.

I think you need to replace the pedal and the over-center spring in order to use these new parts.

 

Thanks YOU ! Guys , I'll be off and running on this lil swap, My big concern was that the fork for a 72 is different then the 73-75s. I'll weld up the clutch fork like Autotech advised and go over the parts diagrams again. I dont have any bracket on the frame, so i'll research that part, And or anyone got a pic , of that bracket , that would be great !

Thanks Again !

 

This might be helpful in locating the bellcrank on the frame:

 

Yep , that does help, thank-you, I do have that bracket in the pic of the bellcrank, that clears it up nicely for a starting point.
Now that Im up under the dash, looks like i dont have a 72 body on this 72. The cable quide is tack welded on by a PO, it looks like, and the hole (in the floor} for the rod is perfect 73 -on .

 

OH ! now i see the bracket I dont have ! (red faced)
Got the clutch linkage all mocked-up in the jeep. Bracket that goes to the bellhousing went on just fine m thanks JPFlat !
Only problem is the rod from the bellcrank to pedal is way to long. After the crud is cleaned off , it looks like someone leanth'n it up in the middle. So off i go on a parts hunt !