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Common Jeep Bellhousing

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by jayhawkclint, Dec 23, 2008.

  1. Dec 23, 2008
    jayhawkclint

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    This thread contains assorted pictures of bell housings and clutch parts common to Jeeps. This first post contains bell housing photos exclusively; scroll down to find other pictures of adapters, etc. Post up your own if you have new information to add.

    Description: F-134 to T90
    Retainer: 4-1/4"
    Depth: 7-1/4"
    Trans: 6-1/4" x 4-1/8" rectangle pattern
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    Description: '66 - '70 Dauntless to T86/T90/T14
    Retainer:
    Depth: 6-3/8" *Going off memory here, didn't actually measure. Someone QA my work, please.
    Trans:
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    Description: '66 - '70 Dauntless to T86/T90/T14/T18
    Retainer:
    Depth: 6-3/8" *Going off memory here, didn't actually measure. Someone QA my work, please.
    Trans: Multipattern, note the extra holes (circled) necessary for T18 installation. This related post may also be of interest: http://www.earlycj5.com/forums/showpost.php?p=427661&postcount=27
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    Description: '71 Dauntless to T14
    Retainer: 4-1/4"
    Depth: 9-1/4"
    Trans: 6" x 5-3/4" rectangle pattern
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    Description: AMC to T150/T18
    Retainer: 4-3/4"
    Depth: 6-3/4"
    Trans: Multi-pattern
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    Description: Buick 198 to T90
    Retainer: 3-3/16" *I actually need to peel away more of the gasket; I'm thinking the edge of the retainer is hidden under there.
    Depth: 8"
    Trans: 6-1/4" x 4-1/8" rectangle pattern
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    Description: SBC to SM465
    Retainer: 5-1/16"
    Depth: 6-3/8"
    Trans: 8-1/4" x 4-3/4" GM trapezoid pattern
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  2. Dec 23, 2008
    Hawk62cj5

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    Nice. No t90 to perkins ? R)

    My T90 to hurrican is different then the one pictured , it also takes a different retainer because of the fork angle.

    ETA:

    Here is the odd ball T-90 to F134 bell housing
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    With the standard Bearing retainer , Note I have it twisted but you can see the bolt holes are not inline and the ball doesnt line up , was thinking about drilling the standard retainer.
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  3. Dec 23, 2008
    timgr

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    We had a thread a few days ago that said the pattern of the T-90 is different from the T-86/T-14 - I don't think a T-14 bell will work with the T-90 without drilling.

    I have a GM-to-T-90 adapter in my basement - here's the T-90 side

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    and here's the GM side

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    The T-90 pattern looks different from the T-14 pattern to me.
     
  4. Dec 23, 2008
    jayhawkclint

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    Hmmm, I could post up some adapter pics too, I s'pose. From what I've come across, the BOP bell stays the same, the adapter changes to mate. You've got to have the correct input shaft on the T86/90/14 input shaft, though.

    Buick 198/T90 adapter was very similar to the one Tim posted.

    Here's a T14 adapter that mated to the same '66-'70 BOP bell shown above:
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    Here is the clutch fork for the '66-'70 BOP bell that came with T14 pictured above:
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  5. Dec 23, 2008
    Patrick

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    The T14 adapter and T86 are identical.
     
  6. Dec 24, 2008
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    That's a military bellhousing, they showed up on CJs quite often though, Tonk had one.

    H.
     
  7. Dec 26, 2008
    oldtime

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    Really valuable Clint,
    That answers a bunch of my questions on exact bellhouse specifications.
    Will aid immensly in deciding viable engine transmision combinations.

    I've seen both versions of the F-134 to T-90 bellhouse on various early Jeeps.
    I prefer the style having the single clutch fork hole on the left side only.
    The bellhouse with two cluth fork accesses was the only version used with the RHD Jeeps.
    I suppose that explains the reason for the design variation.

    Heres a clear bellhouse pic I found on ebay.
    I think its just an ordinary Dauntless bellhouse. eBay # 130272505755
    Can this pic be saved onto this post ? Sorry I'm just no good at pics.
     
  8. Dec 26, 2008
    jayhawkclint

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    Done.

    Also, does anyone have a standard BOP car bell laying around that could measure the retainer diameter, depth (at the retainer), and bolt pattern (should confirm standard GM pattern)? Mine is installed in the HEEP. TIA.
     
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  9. Dec 26, 2008
    Patrick

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    I didn't use any holes in those locations, and the original bell that the T18 was on didn't have them either.


    FWIW, this is the bell from the '71 T18.
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  10. Dec 26, 2008
    Warloch

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    I will check the one I have on the shelf that the Muncie (Saginaw) was bolted to.

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  11. Dec 31, 2008
    oldtime

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    Out of curiousity I checked out 5 diffeerent Jeep bellhousings last night. All are for 134 engines.
    The earliest style L-134 bellhousing from a 1948 CJ-2A has a depth of exactly 7".
    The bellhousing for the F-134 with dual clutch access has a depth of exactly 7".
    The other three I measured were all for the F-134 having only left side clutch access.
    Those three measured 7-1/16" .... 7-1/16"......7-1/8"
     
  12. Dec 31, 2008
    jayhawkclint

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    That's probably because you're using the adapter. The Jeep T18 with the offset bottom hole and correct stickout would mount directly into the other bell without an adapter.
    Mine was modified exactly the same way to bolt directly to the tranny:
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