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radiators ...can i fit it

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by mainejeep, Jan 21, 2011.

  1. Jan 21, 2011
    mainejeep

    mainejeep Member

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    i have a 66 cj5 with the dauntless v6. i belive the the po put a radiator for an f head in it ...so heres my problem ..the temp runs high when i put the plow on and drive down the road. but runs great when i dont have it on there about 170 -180. ive been looking around here for a used radiator seems how new is 250 bucks. my question is is there a radiator from another type of truck or car that will mount up to the jeep without alot of modification.. hard time finding a cj5 radiator around these parts. any info would be great. i tried the search function but couldnt come up with anything but mite not have had the right keywords.
     
  2. Jan 21, 2011
    Patrick

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  3. Jan 22, 2011
    Eaallred

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    The grill for the V6 and the F-head CJ5's are different. If a 4cyl radiator is mounted to a v6 grill, you will have a gap on either side.

    Do you just have a 4 cylinder grill and radiator in place?

    I managed to luck out and found a v6 grill and radiator for sale in my local classifieds, just put it in last week. The 4 cylinder radiator worked 'okay' with a 16" pusher fan on it with my Buick 231, but would run hot on long slow hills.

    So far with the larger v6 grill/radiator (which also gave me room to install my fan as a puller which is more efficient) my temps are rock steady, but have to wait until summer to really see how it changed it 'back to back'.
     
  4. Jan 22, 2011
    54cj3b

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  5. Jan 22, 2011
    Patrick

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    No. The grills are the same no matter which motor it had. The grill/ radiator did change for both in about 1969 when the radiator got wider.
     
  6. Jan 22, 2011
    PaulG

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    Patrick

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  8. Jan 22, 2011
    Eaallred

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    Didn't know that, still trying to figure out all that stuff.

    So the 68 to 66 v6's used the same grill as the f-heads did, and the 69 to 71 f-heads used the same grill as the v6's did? Nothing changed between the two? Obviously the radiator itself had to change, due to the lower hose being on opposite sides between the two motors.

    For some reason I was led to believe the v6's used a different grill than the f-head did.

    So I didn't find a "v6" radiator and grill, I just found a 66 to 68 grill and a 66 to 71 V6 radiator? Just want to make sure i'm learning this all correctly. Only been into early Jeeps for a couple years, this is my first one and i'm having a ball with it!

    I only seperate the two at 68/69 because that's when it appears the front signals changed. My "v6" grill has early small glass signals just as my 62 grill does.
     
  9. Jan 22, 2011
    Eaallred

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    Looks like he just needs to find the v6 specific radiator to me and he'd be all set.

    Here's a pic of my two grills for comparison:

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    Both are identical, same signals and everything, except the one that was just painted in the pic has the wider shroud to accept the larger radiator. But the small signals lead me to believe this was avaliable from 66 to 68. 69 to 71 would have had the larger signals. Still learning so correct me if i'm wrong.
     
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  10. Jan 22, 2011
    Eaallred

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    Heres my pics for reference if it helps anyone doing a search later on,

    Here's my 231 behind the stock 62 grill and radiator from my f-head days:

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    And here it is with the larger radiator and grill with the early signals (prompting my theory of it being a 66-68 grill):

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    And just for fun, here it is with the old f-head in it (10 miles to a quart of oil prompted the changeout) and when I was starting my engine swap:

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    :v6::D
     
  11. Jan 22, 2011
    mainejeep

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    it seems to me that the po just put a smaller radiator in and put an aluminum spacer on one side. i know its a bad pic but the jeep is in a snow bank now cause i was plowing and the clutch cable broke. ( my next adventure)

    [​IMG]
     
  12. Jan 22, 2011
    Patrick

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    Yes.
    You found a 55-68 grill, and a 69-71 V6 radiator.
     
  13. Jan 22, 2011
    Walt Couch

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    Mainejeep--- I think I would try a fan shroud with what's there. You would be surprised how well that helps cool.
     
  14. Jan 22, 2011
    mainejeep

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    ok thanks walt i think my other prob is the radiator isnt centered so its not drawing off the center of the radiator.
     
  15. Jan 22, 2011
    Eaallred

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    Huh?

    The grills from 55 to 68 are not the same. I've got two pre-69 grills in my garage that are in fact different.

    Not convinced they shared the same part when the V6 was introduced. Found this pic of a 1968 with the F-head, and it has the exact same grill as my 1962 had with it's F-head. But my v6 grill is definitley 1968 and down due to the small glass signals.

    [​IMG]

    From looking more up on the web, i'm pretty convinced 55-68 4-cylinder grills were all the same, 66-68 v6 specific grills were thier own.

    I see no reason for the v6 radiator to change from 66 to 71.

    Sorry, this is the kind of pointless stuff that consumes me. Maybe it's from my air-cooled VW stuff. Most of us in that hobby have M-codes memorized and know what years any option was avaliable with numerous resources avaliable to check what options were correct for any year. Just can't seem to find this info on the early Jeep stuff, it's boggling to me. If someone knows a good source for this type of stuff, i'm all ears. Love learning that kind of stuff.
     
  16. Jan 22, 2011
    Patrick

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    All of the radiators and the grill where they mount got wider some time around '69. There are no V6 specific grills. My'71 was originally an F head, and it had the wider radiator. My 67 V6 has the narrower radiator. My '70 V6 had the wider one. My Brothers '63 F head has the exact same grill as my '67, except it has the smaller turn signals.
     
  17. Jan 22, 2011
    Patrick

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    They did.
     
  18. Jan 22, 2011
    Patrick

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    Oh, I have a '56 grill on the shelf that is also the same as my '67
     
  19. Jan 22, 2011
    mainejeep

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    ok so i have a grill with the big marker lights, so does this mean its no the right grill? ( for a 66 ) are the dimensions different on the inside where the radiator mounts?
     
  20. Jan 22, 2011
    Patrick

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    There were basically three sizes of marker lights. 55-63, 64-68 or 69, and 69-up.
     
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