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v6 runs backwards after key is turned off?

Discussion in 'Flat Fender Tech' started by garage gnome, Aug 18, 2010.

  1. Aug 18, 2010
    garage gnome

    garage gnome ECJ5 welder

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    After I run my :v6: and it gets hot, I turn it off and it runs backwards a few rotations and sounds almost like a diesel. Why would it be doing this and how can I fix it? I'm pretty sure that it is an odd fire.
     
  2. Aug 18, 2010
    Patrick

    Patrick Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Back the timing off. Make sure the idle isn't too fast.
     
  3. Aug 18, 2010
    dvw86

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    It is actually "dieseling". From Wikipedia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieseling
     
  4. Aug 18, 2010
    groomer_guy

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    :iagree:
     
  5. Aug 18, 2010
    PbBelly

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    VW bugs (and, I am sure, many other vehicles) had an electric solenoid in the idle circuit to cut off the fuel when the key was off just to prevent this issue. The "quick fix" for a bad solenoid was to nip off the end and reinstall it. The downside to this was an engine that dieseled every time you shut it off when warm...
     
  6. Aug 19, 2010
    garage gnome

    garage gnome ECJ5 welder

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    I have the idle as low as it can go for crawling purposes. I can try backing the timing of a little though. I think what it needs is a good :smash:
     
  7. Aug 19, 2010
    lynn

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    One of those solenoids was on the '71 when I got it, but it was disconnected. I did not reconnect it when I rewired the rig. The V6 would occasionally diesel like that if the engine was hot. I usually just let the clutch out (with my other foot on the brake) to stop the engine (as long as there was a bit of room in front of me!)
     
  8. Aug 19, 2010
    timgr

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    Is it really running backwards or just self-detonating? (dieseling?)

    You could fit an idle stop solenoid from a later car if you wanted. The ISS (aka anti-dieseling solenoid) allows you to close the throttle completely when the ignition is off.

    Another solution is to just leave it in gear when you turn it off, and let the clutch out. It'll stop. See Lynn's post.
     
  9. Aug 19, 2010
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    I hate to say it but it could also be caused by a vacuum leak
    -carb base
    - split PCV or vac hose
    - butterflies in carb no closing fully
    -etc
     
  10. Aug 19, 2010
    jeep2003

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    does that ISS mount forward of the throttle lincage on the manifold? I wondered what that thing was for.
     
  11. Aug 19, 2010
    garage gnome

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    Hmmmm... have lotsa ideas to try.
     
  12. Aug 19, 2010
    timgr

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    Typically it's on a bracket that goes under one of the carburetor base bolts.
     
  13. Aug 19, 2010
    w3srl

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    Going against the grain here, this wouldn't be the first vehicle I'd ever seen that ran hot because of a plugged up cooling system. In addition to checking the timing I would also change out the thermostat (cheap and easy) and also think about flushing the cooling system and refilling with the correct 50/50 coolant/water mix.
     
  14. Aug 20, 2010
    kaiser_willys

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    sounds like engine run on to me (dieseling) as stated back the timing off a little. in most cases this is cause by carbon buildup in the cylinder, IT will get hot enough to Ignite the fuel when the key is turned off. with todays FI engines this does not happen because when you turn the key off you cut both the power to the Ign system and also the fuel system.
     
  15. Aug 20, 2010
    cookieman

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    Also if the fuel mixture is too lean.
     
  16. Aug 20, 2010
    garage gnome

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    fuel, timing and cooling are all good. Still doing it. I'm starting to pop the clutch and hold the brake as an easy fix for now. It was run pretty hard and put away wet by the PO's. Maybe it just needs a rebuild?
     
  17. Aug 22, 2010
    theotherjmmy

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    When you go to shut it off make sure it is idling as low as possible before turning the key. Even if you have to blip the throttle to make sure it is on the idle cam as low as possible.
     
  18. Sep 5, 2010
    garage gnome

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    I fixed it! :D Kinda dumb luck they way I did. It was starting really hard so I decided to clean the plugs. The #6 plug was loose as a goose. :shock: With all of them clean and TIGHT, the engine was running like crap. I readjusted the carb and took for a long ride. No problems now!
     
  19. Sep 5, 2010
    w3srl

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    <golf clap> :beer:
     
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