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Gas Tank Trouble

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Turiwks, Oct 18, 2009.

  1. Oct 19, 2009
    timgr

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    That's an important endorsement.

    I had a new factory replacement under-seat tank (a Jeep factory part) as an aux tank in my '73 with a Stant cap. It leaked through the cap.

    The MTS cap must be something special.
     
  2. Oct 19, 2009
    Patrick

    Patrick Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Actually, it's a vented cap, and worked fine for about a year, then started leaking through the vent itself. I JB'd the vent shut, and no leaks. I can fill the tank and park the Jeep all but on it's side and it's dry. Really a nice change after so many years with a leaky filler.
    Oh, and I do have the tank itself vented.
     
  3. Oct 19, 2009
    duffer

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    Patrick, if you have no vent line and now an un-vented cap, do you get a vacuum in the tank when operating? Seems to me this would make a lot more work for the fuel pump, enhance the possibility of vapor lock, and on the other extreme, could allow pressure buildup when not operating, especially when temps are hot. I use a non vent cap in the 3B but put a small orifice (about .050) breather in the tipover line, mounted as high as I could get it (up against the bottom of the left rear wheel well). It has a sintered bronze filter on it to keep the debris out of the tank and is mounted facing down to provide an air lock to keep water out, at least for a short term exposure.

    I have the same problem as you did with the vented cap on my CJ5 that still has not been addressed but intend to do the same thing to it.
     
  4. Oct 19, 2009
    duffer

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    Sorry, missed that last line, Patrick
     
  5. Oct 22, 2009
    CJmike

    CJmike jeep mechanic by default

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    Turiwks--Not to jump in on this too late, but your fixes are simple and inexpensive as Howard Eisenhauer has suggested. Your crimp-ended fitting is the fuel pickup line, and needs the crimped fuel line removed, and replaced with a short section of steel line that your rubber fuel line can be attached to, with the other end feeding your fuel pump; then the larger hex nut portion needs to be re-soldered back onto the base of the tank to seal it from ever leaking. That threaded brass elbow looking fitting is the location of your original drain plug, remove this fitting and find a drain plug that will fit at any hardware store. If you have any additional holes/leaks, POR-15 is the solution, as it will coat the whole inside of your tank, and prevent any future rust or leak issues; the POR-15 will be the expensive fix as it runs about $35-40 at automotive paint supply shops. Have fun with your new toy!
     
  6. Oct 22, 2009
    Rusty1cox

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    { Any ideas? What can I do to repair this tank? Weld that hole shut? Also, when I fill the tank, it leaks out of the tank from the hole, not from the crimped part of }
    Caution Before welding any fuel tank purge with air for at least 24 hours before hand to remove vapors & purge while welding, Welding + Vapors= DEATH by explosion
     
  7. Oct 22, 2009
    Patrick

    Patrick Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Problem with air is it has oxygen in it, which will help the vapor ignite. You need to purge it with an inert gas, such as argon.
     
  8. Oct 22, 2009
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    Welding on a gas tank is VERY SERIOUS - I have personally seen one explode that had been open (cap off, sending unit open, all lines removed) rinsed and aired for over a week. If the tank even smells of gas - it can blow without the proper use of inert gas to prevent combustion.

    I was young enough at the time that the thought of welding on a tank makes my butt pucker to this day (and that was over 20 years ago). I have built several tanks, and will do so again, but my tanks are filled with auto exhaust or argon if they have had gas in them in the last 6 months.
     
  9. Oct 22, 2009
    Patrick

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    Yep, I watched the tank out of my Brother's 52 Willys P/U launch about 20ft up when he was brazing it. He got really lucky. Makes me nervous.
     
  10. Oct 22, 2009
    timgr

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    Usually radiator shops will do repairs on gas tanks. I expect they fill the tank with CO2 (dry ice) prior to working on the tank. Also I doubt they would weld - instead they'd solder.

    I suggest you ask around for a radiator shop that will do the work for you. You can coat the inside of the tank yourself if you want - POR-15 makes a kit http://www.por15.com/FUEL-TANK-REPAIR-KIT/productinfo/FTRK/
     
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