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F-Head Engine Issues

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by dirtdog, Dec 10, 2008.

  1. Dec 10, 2008
    dirtdog

    dirtdog New Member

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    Ok, it's been a long time, but I'm finally able to concentrate on my cj5.

    Background: Bought my 61 two years ago not running. Seller claimed that it ran, but must have "electrical issues". Me and a buddy tinkered around a bit and got it running. Replace just about all of the fuel and electrical components. I also replaced the carb with a solex. It ran great for about a day. Cleaned PCV components, vacuum appears to be ok, adjusted valves already.

    Problem:
    When you rev it up, it will spit and sputter and backfire through the carb and lacks power power when driving.

    Solution:
    When you place your hand over the carb to reduce air flow, it will rev up like its brand new.

    Seeing as I've done just about everything possible outside of the engine, what else could be causing this?

    Suggestions, Opinions, Experience anyone?
     
  2. Dec 10, 2008
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    Vacuum leak. Covering the carb makes the mixture richer, thereby making up for the leak in the intake system.

    BTW- It's really not a good idea to put your hand over the carb, if it backfires you will get a nasty and very painful burn on your palm.
     
  3. Dec 10, 2008
    kaiser_willys

    kaiser_willys Well-Known Member

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    float level not set corectly? from what you are saying you either have a vac leak or not enough fuel to air, checked the fuel psi? fuel flow?
     
  4. Dec 10, 2008
    kaiser_willys

    kaiser_willys Well-Known Member

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    this also causes as what is refered to as a "lean misfire or lean backfire"
     
  5. Dec 10, 2008
    blevisay

    blevisay Oh Noooooooooooooooo! Staff Member

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    Time for New plugs...........
     
  6. Dec 10, 2008
    gasman

    gasman Member

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    Yeah change the plugs I had kind of same problem went to a hotter plugs man what a difference Autolite 295 was too cold. The motor really runs great now 1961 CJ.:hurrican:
     
  7. Dec 10, 2008
    blevisay

    blevisay Oh Noooooooooooooooo! Staff Member

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    Keep the correct heat range IMO. The Champion J8C is really easy to foul.
     
  8. Dec 10, 2008
    blevisay

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    My guess is the start valve on the Sloex was left on DAHIK
     
  9. Dec 10, 2008
    LarryD

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    You said it ran great for about a day, I wounder if you might have picked up some crud from the gas tank. If you are running a good fuel filter check and see if you are getting fresh fuel to the filter. If no filter you may want to check the carb to see if it picked up some trash.
    Another possibility is since it idles OK but poor on acceleration your distributor isn't advancing. If I recall correctly my F Head didn't have a vacuum advance t was purely mechanical. It's possible the counterweights under the breaker plate have become corroded so they don't advance the spark. If you have access to a timing light see if the timing advances when you attempt to accelerate.
     
  10. Dec 10, 2008
    dirtdog

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    Thanks for all of the replies thus far. That was fast.

    I will be diving into it tomorrow and this weekend. I may as well go ahead and replace the spark plugs as well...again. I've been using the J8Cs, What else would you recommend?
     
  11. Dec 11, 2008
    blevisay

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    are you sure you have the start valve in the correct position?
     
  12. Dec 11, 2008
    farfle

    farfle old dog

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    Heat range on the plugs can kinda depend on the altitude you run the jeep at, from what I understand. If you're at sea level, you want to stick close to the factory spec. The gasman and I live in the mountains, and it works out best for us to run a plug 1/2- 1 range hotter. This holds true no matter the specific engine... I've got a 258. If you live closer to sea level, I'd stick with the factory spec for starters.

    I stick with champions, because they work well in my situation. Plugs are cheap, so it doesn't cost your first born to experiment a little.

    I'd start with the basics first before I started looking for the perfect plugs. Make sure the carb is tuned and operating properly, new parts properly installed in the distributor, a known good coil, known good wires, good grounds, fully charged battery with clean connections, and plain old factory specified plugs should get you a good baseline to improve from.
     
  13. Dec 12, 2008
    dirtdog

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    OK, I gotta ask...what's the start valve? Sounds like an inside joke, but never heard of a start valve and could find anything in the documentation.

    A lot of the basic stuff has been covered, in some case several times. New coil, plugs, wires, pertronix, fuel filter, fuel pump, battery, etc, etc.

    My plan of attack this weekend:

    1. Check fuel by making a hillbilly gas tank and hanging it above the carb. If it runs better, then I'll concentrate on the fuel system.

    2. If #1 don't help, dig further for vacuum leaks.

    3. If #3 don't help, check into the distributor advance, timing, timing chain, etc.
     
  14. Dec 12, 2008
    blevisay

    blevisay Oh Noooooooooooooooo! Staff Member

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    The start valve is what the solex has in place of a choke. (no joke this is real stuff).
     
  15. Dec 12, 2008
    blevisay

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    Called a starer Lever here

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  16. Dec 12, 2008
    kaiser_willys

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    x2 :iagree: takes place of the choke butterfly, fuel enrichment valve
     
  17. Dec 13, 2008
    dirtdog

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    Ok. I think I figured out the majority of the problem...no gasket between the carb and the airhorn. I had it idling and took a peak at the airhorn and thought "hey, shouldn't there be something there?" Made a quick cork gasket and installed it. Bingo. It still spits and sputters a little bit, but its about 80% better. I'm going to get a new rubber gasket, new plugs, check for additional vacuum leaks, and try to fine tune everything. Thanks for all of you help.
     
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