F 134 Lightweight starter motor

Anyone out there heard of a lightweight starter motor for the F134? As I rebuild my '63 CJ5 I'm looking for a few ways to lose some weight, operate better and still be reasonably stock appearing. Going to an alternator will help but a lot of weight could be lost with some of the new starters out there. I figure my best move would be to draw on all the experience and expertise from you guys first. Thanks in advance for any ideas.

Ed Kapala

 

It might be hard to duplicate the action of a Bendix drive starter (like the F134's) with a modern starter.

Frankly, I think you're being "penny wise and pound foolish" to try and lighten a K-W 4-banger. The block design is really old, ie the '30s, and generally the older the design, the heavier the block. You can easily save more than a couple hundred pounds in cast iron by using a modern 4-cylinder engine in place of the F134. Sorry - probably not what you want to hear...

An easier way to lighten the load is to carry less gear - heavy bumpers, tire carriers, tools, spares, camping gear - all that stuff is easier to pare down than the weight of the drivetrain.

 

Sorry Billy - not trying to be mean or negative.

The F134 is a very reliable and durable engine which will keep running even when it is very badly worn. It is easy to work on and durable. It has a forged steel crank and rods, making the bottom end very sturdy and resistant to insults such as low oil or worn bearings. It has a very long stroke and small bore, producing lots of torque at low engine speeds, which can be very effective on the trail.

My point was not that the F134 is a bad engine - but that the amount of effort required to convert to a modern starter, and the few pounds that it would save, may not be the most effective way to spend your time, money and effort.

 

Guys: Thanks, it was an idea I'll still look into. Lightweight, high torque Bendix Drive starters have been around for a while. The old and new styles will interchange on Chrysler engines back to the mid '60's, I just thought someone may have sourced one for the F134. You may be right as far as saving weight but being an old race car builder I just can't help myself trying to save a few pounds to offset the additional weight of other accessories. As with many Jeeps, I've added the weight of a winch and am thinking of converting to power steering. The alternator is much lighter than the generator and I know that a Chrylser lightweight starter is almost half the weight of the old style. I love the F134, having owned 3 of them and have never had one let me down where I couldn't get it running to get me home. Anyway, it's always fun trying to find things to make an old, but good design, just a bit better. Thanks again.

Ed Kapala

 

Don't worry Billy, my Ol' Red will always have an F-head in her! Now when will she hit the street again? That's another story....got a lot of "housecleaning" to do before that will happen.

 

Howard: When you mentioned aluminium adapter and aircraft starters a light went on (it usually doesn't go on all that often, I thought the bulb was gone a few years ago) I've worked on the Lycomings in Super Cubs a bit in the past and you're right, there were a few modern starters adapted to that engine. If those engines aren't old technology I don't know what is. I'll do some checking on ring gear and bendix compatibility and see what I come up with. I know it's a lot of fooling around for maybe not a lot of gain. I've rebulit and restored quite a few Chrysler muscle cars and this is the 4th Jeep and it's amazing what parts interchangability there can be between models and even brands. I think a powerful lightweight starter would be a boon to the F134. Thanks again guys, I gotta stop, I think I smell something burning!!!

Ed Kapala
Nanton, Alberta

 

I will have to look but somewhere in the search under starters for F134, I read that a starter from a 74 to 79 Toyota Landcruiser will work. I am going to try it myself at some point!!! Mine is working now and I am a firm believer in don't fix a working part. I'm not sure about the weight though. Last I looked thery seemed to be the same size, maybe the Toy Starter used Auminum parts instead of steel. I will look more and let you know.

 

My 55 cj retains the original F-Head , Now with new life breathed into it......., turned crank, new bearings, fresh cam, new valve guides, new exhaust valves and hardened seat inserts, 4 new custom .080 over pistons ( now just shy of 141 cu in with a resulting compression ratio of 7.3:1 :twisted: ) Rebuilt Carter YF with custom metering rods and more

There may be other suitable engines out there .........But for performance within its design intent ........I could not ask for more, What a willing little engine, May the L and F-Head live forever :hurrican: :hurrican:

 

Holy crap, talk about resurrecting an old thread!

 

Sorry bout that, I Got all wrapped up in the moment

 

You can use a starter from a 1964 thru 1983 Toyota Landcruiser 4.2L. Nippondenso Part number 02800-2362/4.
O'reillys Auto Parts sells it under Ultima Part # 16224
You can also find it under a Lester rebuilt # 16224
Or you can find it under an ACE rebuilt # 649

Hope this helps in your search.
It may not save you alot of weight but it will turn over alot faster.

Cabover :driving:

 

Why is it that every time we think a thread has finally gone away someone resurects it?

THIS IS GETTING VERY OLD WITH ME!








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On a serious note is the Toyota starter a direct bolt in alternative?

Donnie

 

So, replying to an antique thread is poo pooed on this board. I would think that closing it would preempt additional [unwanted] content. Seems simple enough.